What's the basis for alt-right's Christianity?

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It can't be the bible, as it's filled with contradictions and people all over the political spectrum simply cherry-pick what suits them. Generally in the OT you can find more right-wing stuff, while in NT there's more shitlibbery.

It can't be the general population's idea of Christianity either, as it itself isn't very unified (literally tens of thousands of denominations) and is constantly (and imo rightfully) criticized as being weak and cucked here at DS.

And the official authorities of pretty much any larger denomination are either completely corrupt leftists or cuckservatives at best and are also rightfully disavowed.

So what is it then?

Because recently I had a discussion with a certain Flash McQueen in which I was told only "Christians" are allowed, and most people agreed with him.

Well ok, maybe that's a good idea to exclude everybody non-Christian, but what even is a "Christian" according to DS? Because clearly the word here is being used very differently. If most people here demand everybody submits to some set of religious rules, there's no way to do that without knowing what they actually are, what one needs to do to be Christian.

What it seems like to me is that people have an implicit agreement that Christianity = beliefs promoted by DS + God, so basically DS is like a holy scripture, and occasionally people cherry-pick some quotes from the bible too that fit (and ofc reject and ignore ones that don't) to pretend there's some connection to what most people call Christianity. If I'm correct, then what we have on our hands is a completely new denomination of Christianity - dailystormerism. In that case, count me Christian, lol.
 

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Eastern/Greek/Russian Orthodox is the true Christianity. The protestant/evangelical (read: ZIONIST SHILL) religions of "worship and protect israel this, destroy Iran that" are fake as fucking fuck.

Jews follow the torah/talmud - which is basically the old testament, they got their panties in a bunch when Jesus (New Testament) fucked their world up and now they are forever unhinged.

Roman Catholicism is pretty fubar right now and people are in an uproar because of the POPE eschewing his divine title of Vicar of Christ.
Apparently in the Popes Yearbook, he had them remove the title and his reasoning was "its just a formality", which I find very odd as he is the only one who has done this.

The following excerpt is from a Ground Zero broadcast from just last night, as it says:


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I think the pope is the anti-christ myself, considering the things he has said and done. The problem with Christianity is some of the leaders are tainted and leading the parishioners down the road to perdition and people need to start standing up to take their religion back or there wont be anyone left to 'save'.
 

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I think the pope is the anti-christ myself, considering the things he has said and done. The problem with Christianity is some of the leaders are tainted and leading the parishioners down the road to perdition and people need to start standing up to take their religion back or there wont be anyone left to 'save'.
Yeah that's kind of my point too. Everyone of course thinks their specific denomination of Christianity is the trve Christianity. And Anglin himself has (understandably) called the official head of the Catholic church a satanist, so when that happens I think it's fair to ask what Christianity really is, because clearly we don't use that word in the same way as most people do.
 

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It can't be the bible, as it's filled with contradictions and people all over the political spectrum simply cherry-pick what suits them. Generally in the OT you can find more right-wing stuff, while in NT there's more shitlibbery.
If you believe in the resurrection of Jesus then you are a Christian. Ideally, the rest should just fall into place but man is imperfect and whatnot.
 

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The dangerous thing here is thinking that any ideology or religion is above nature, when in reality nature is what ultimately judges which ideologies/religions survive and thrive and propagate, and which ones fail.

If your set of beliefs doesn't acknowledge nature and acts in accordance with it, it is simply going to be erased and become irrelevant. No amount of emotion and autistic screeching about how your religion is the right one will change reality, only action will. And if you delude yourself, you cannot acknowledge reality and take proper action.
 

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If you believe in the resurrection of Jesus then you are a Christian.
Plenty of leftists do, and then they use Jesus' quotes in NT about tolerance and whatnot to promote their leftist agenda.

If they are Christians, then clearly Christianity isn't necessary for white nationalism (which is my original point), if you say they are not Christians, then clearly just believing in the resurrection of Jesus isn't enough to be Christian.
 

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The Bible is surprisingly consistent. I hated it for many years because it had been twisted to be a tool of mind control.
Then I started to read it, and looked up the answers to the confusing parts, looked up the original words and their definitions.
It takes time but you'll know what God wants after you clear your head of the purposeful mistranslations and the infusion into Christianity of ancient mystery religious symbols and mythology, some even taken from later Hinduism.

You actually have to apply yourself to understanding it.
 

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The Bible is surprisingly consistent. I hated it for many years because it had been twisted to be a tool of mind control.
Essentially this. If you study it and try to take things into context (and more importantly attempt to understand the context of a book written by people were several millennia removed from) it's arguably TOO coherent.

OP how much have you given into actually reading the Bible? You say it's contradictory, but what's your level of familiarity with it?

Your above comments regarding leftists using scripture leads me to believe you have little more than a cursory understanding about it.
 

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The very topic is fraught with tension on these boards.

Some support affirming Christianity because in some sense they see Christianity as being an opposing force to Judaism/jews.

Some support affirming Christianity because of its historical cultural importance, Christendom being a stand in term for White Europe and White European Culture.

Some support affirming Christianity because of identifying a need for religion by many people, and this being the religion of longest dominant heritage in white European populations

It can be any one of the above reasons, or more than one.

That is much of the reasoning put forward.

Beyond that, critical discussion of the topic is not allowed because it is deemed to be too divisive.
 

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The Bible is surprisingly consistent. I hated it for many years because it had been twisted to be a tool of mind control.
I don't hate it, if anything some OT stuff I like, if only because it expresses my thoughts in a more stylistically appealing, eloquent manner.

But it's a simple and indisputable fact that it is riddled with contradictions:


But yeah the "translations" part is just another problem. This is a funny example, I initially found this in English:


Then I looked it up in my native language version, and they used such heavy euphemisms that the initial message was completely lost, it was sth like "the strength of horses".

Looking back this is a pretty funny red/black-pill about female nature if anything, but it does show how the original message can be completely subverted because those doing the translating have an agenda.
 

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Some support affirming Christianity because of identifying a need for religion by many people, and this being the religion of longest dominant heritage in white European populations
It's not exactly longest as forms of paganism have been prevalent for thousands of years before it, but it is latest, and it has been dominant pretty long.

Then again there is the argument of "if the current degenerate Jewish imposed social order continued for a long time too would that also be an argument for preserving it and now considering it a part of our heritage?"

My thinking is whatever, just be consistent.

I don't intend to be critical here as much as I'm simply trying to understand what is the basis for Christianity on DS/in the alt-right, because clearly I can use neither the bible nor the official authorities or the masses to get an idea of it.

I've said what my assumption is, that it's essentially a dailystormerism denomination. That sounds pretty good to me and I wouldn't want to be critical of that.
 

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Because recently I had a discussion with a certain Flash McQueen in which I was told only "Christians" are allowed, and most people agreed with him.
so far as I know there is no religious test, however officially Christianity is the only religion supported, and there is an order in place that Christian religious belief itself is not to be questioned/challenged on the board (whereas Judaism, jews, Muslims etc are fair game for critique).

This does mean some can get into prosylethizing while for the sake of peace others are disallowed from pointedly arguing back in any muscular way.. But life is imperfect, here as well as irl.
 

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My view of Christianity is idiosyncratically my own.
I differ from most Christians in recognizing this fact.

My unpopular view is that the proper size of a Christian denomination is the home.
Not the church.
Not the denomination.
The HOME.

The Depeche Mode song Own Personal Jesus makes mockery of this stance, but I believe it's the proper way to view Christianity.

If you think you are happy, then you are happy. Nobody's opinion matters but yours.
If you think you are a Christian, then you are a Christian. No one else can make this determination but you.

People who try to dictate to you what they think being a Christian means are guilty of hubris.
If any single person is capable of understanding God, then anyone has the potential to understand. Your insight is no more or less than anyone else.

Pure Protestantism is you and God.
No one can define this relationship but you.

As for the basis for being a Christian, I've come to believe it's the objective truth. I've spent most of my adult life being virulently anti Christian.
I know atheist rhetoric and philosophy far better than I know Christian thought.
I know evolutionary theory and biology better than the authors publishing books on the topic.
I know quantum physics as well as anyone can know it without formal study.

My exploration into atheism and science was me looking for certainty and answers.
All I found was bullshit and ignorance. All I found were false promises, "Trust us. We KNOW the answers. You just aren't smart enough to understand the explanations and evidence, so we're going to just go ahead and skip that. But, rest assured, we KNOW what's true. Hush now, and listen."

I noticed that the outline of what the lies were seeking to obscure from our sight looks suspiciously a lot like Christianity.

Once I let myself reexamine Christianity, I found that it made as much sense, intellectually, as anything else. But more importantly, it felt right. It conveniently filled in the mysteries science can't explain, and tries so hard to ignore. It also fits rather neatly into those things science claims to understand too.

I could write pages here, but I'm going to go get lunch now instead.

Take care.
 

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It's not exactly longest as forms of paganism have been prevalent for thousands of years before it, but it is latest, and it has been dominant pretty long.

Then again there is the argument of "if the current degenerate Jewish imposed social order continued for a long time too would that also be an argument for preserving it and now considering it a part of our heritage?"

My thinking is whatever, just be consistent.

I don't intend to be critical here as much as I'm simply trying to understand what is the basis for Christianity on DS/in the alt-right, because clearly I can use neither the bible nor the official authorities or the masses to get an idea of it.

I've said what my assumption is, that it's essentially a dailystormerism denomination. That sounds pretty good to me and I wouldn't want to be critical of that.
You get no argument from me, I did not state my ideas on the subject, I merely tried to outline what seems to be the thinking behind the way the subject is handled on the board.

I am curious though, you have an old guard badge, so you're from the old bbs where this was hammered out many a time.. Was your handle the same over there? Maybe you just never read into those older threads.

I believe this new board allows us to dm (I think it's called "conversations"). This is the type of thing to discuss one on one by dm or on ricochet if you want to talk about it further in any non board approved manner
 
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The very topic is fraught with tension on these boards.

Some support affirming Christianity because in some sense they see Christianity as being an opposing force to Judaism/jews.

Some support affirming Christianity because of its historical cultural importance, Christendom being a stand in term for White Europe and White European Culture.

Some support affirming Christianity because of identifying a need for religion by many people, and this being the religion of longest dominant heritage in white European populations

It can be any one of the above reasons, or more than one.

That is much of the reasoning put forward.

Beyond that, critical discussion of the topic is not allowed because it is deemed to be too divisive.
Perfect comment.

11/10
 

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Also, nobody calls this thing the "Alt-Right" anymore really except the JewsMedia or maybe Richard Spencer's small clique of hanger-ons.
 

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This thread sure has the potential to go sideways quickly. :)

I'll just say that I don't see the need to willingly place ourselves into smaller and smaller boxes which can be then labeled and used to turn us against one another. I'm happy just being a white guy who cares predominantly about white interests.
 

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My view of Christianity is idiosyncratically my own.
I differ from most Christians in recognizing this fact.

My unpopular view is that the proper size of a Christian denomination is the home.
Not the church.
Not the denomination.
The HOME.

The Depeche Mode song Own Personal Jesus makes mockery of this stance, but I believe it's the proper way to view Christianity.

If you think you are happy, then you are happy. Nobody's opinion matters but yours.
If you think you are a Christian, then you are a Christian. No one else can make this determination but you.

People who try to dictate to you what they think being a Christian means are guilty of hubris.
If any single person is capable of understanding God, then anyone has the potential to understand. Your insight is no more or less than anyone else.

Pure Protestantism is you and God.
No one can define this relationship but you.

As for the basis for being a Christian, I've come to believe it's the objective truth. I've spent most of my adult life being virulently anti Christian.
I know atheist rhetoric and philosophy far better than I know Christian thought.
I know evolutionary theory and biology better than the authors publishing books on the topic.
I know quantum physics as well as anyone can know it without formal study.

My exploration into atheism and science was me looking for certainty and answers.
All I found was bullshit and ignorance. All I found were false promises, "Trust us. We KNOW the answers. You just aren't smart enough to understand the explanations and evidence, so we're going to just go ahead and skip that. But, rest assured, we KNOW what's true. Hush now, and listen."

I noticed that the outline of what the lies were seeking to obscure from our sight looks suspiciously a lot like Christianity.

Once I let myself reexamine Christianity, I found that it made as much sense, intellectually, as anything else. But more importantly, it felt right. It conveniently filled in the mysteries science can't explain, and tries so hard to ignore. It also fits rather neatly into those things science claims to understand too.

I could write pages here, but I'm going to go get lunch now instead.

Take care.
Well said!
 

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According to the catholic church the marriage between a black and a white catholic is okay while the marriage between a white catholic and a white protestant is not. it doesn't really goes together with racial thinking but as you said people cherry pick what they like. People aren't 100% consistent logic machines.
 

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My unpopular view is that the proper size of a Christian denomination is the home.
Not the church.
Not the denomination.
The HOME.
I agree with this completely. I had to leave a Christian forum I had posted on for a long time, because they kept telling me that without a proper church, I could never be a true Christian.
 

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If most people here demand everybody submits to some set of religious rules, there's no way to do that without knowing what they actually are, what one needs to do to be Christian.
The way I see it, is Daily Stormer wants to be and promote Christianity. I have not seen a line drawn over what type that may be, as long as you accept Jesus, then that solves most requirements of what theu are looking for, in MY own opinion. I came in as a former Christian that tuened Pagan about 3 years ago. Not a soul ever gave me a hard time or fucked with me because I did not counter signal what the Stormer promoted.
What alot have said previously in many different threads is that you have to support the role of Christianity, as a necessary backbone of what we are, because this unites us, and makes it hard to target, pinpoint and destroy what we stand for. It certainly did noy hurt me to support DS as a Christian movement when I was pagan because I understood what the direction was, and I was not here at any point to convert people, just here to help my people. As time grew, my feelimgs had changed. My story won't be the same for others, but by supporting, and not counter-signalling it, I had no one to tell me how to live my life. I changed on my own.

If I completely missed what yoy were getting at I apologize, I just assumed where you were going with this thread.
 

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I agree with this completely. I had to leave a Christian forum I had posted on for a long time, because they kept telling me that without a proper church, I could never be a true Christian.
Every Christian should take it upon themselves to study scripture themselves, and not rely on an institution to do it for them.
To put this into context:
Would we entrust a (((lawyer))) to administer a sizeable inheritance that was bequeathed to us?
No we would not. Just as we do not trust the politicians ruling over us today.
We know that our churches (Christian communities) have been infected by Jewish lies.
Fortunately jew lies are not able to change what has been written by God, who created everything, so it's a small matter for him to ensure that our Bible remained unscathed and in its true form.
 

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Every Christian should take it upon themselves to study scripture themselves, and not rely on an institution to do it for them.
To put this into context:
Would we entrust a (((lawyer))) to administer a sizeable inheritance that was bequeathed to us?
No we would not. Just as we do not trust the politicians ruling over us today.
We know that our churches (Christian communities) have been infected by Jewish lies.
Fortunately jew lies are not able to change what has been written by God, who created everything, so it's a small matter for him to ensure that our Bible remained unscathed and in its true form.
Well said.
 

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It can't be the bible, as it's filled with contradictions
When the Bible says things like "an eye for an eye" and "turn the other cheek" that seem like contradictions, they're actually not if taken in correct understanding of the original context.

In the first example, "eye for eye", given through Moses refers to Assyrian or Babylonian (don't remember who) philosophy of justice where the circumstances and severity of the transgression need to be weighed in determining the punishment. Ideas such as this are what underpinned the Magna Charta and eventually English law. It was a standard of an ideal state of justice where punishment fits crime.

In the second example, "turn the other cheek", again, refer to a standard of an ideal state where we would forgive each other for mistakes: the operative word being "each", i.e., other Christians or potential Christians.

People who lack the capacity to ever become truly Christian are logically excluded from this group of potential Christians, such as all people who lack the empathy and altruism required to function in a high-trust, high-forgiveness environment: namely and obviously - all non-whites.

Jesus' message wasn't to "turn the other cheek" if someone is murdering or raping your family or to let them escape justice (see example 1) or if a wild baboon is trying to chew your kid's face off to smile blankly and "forgive" it, rather, it was to encourage us to try to understand that even though we're not perfect, we should try to understand that none of our brothers are perfect either and try to consider forgiveness instead of instant retaliation in every situation. An example would be if someone ran over your kid because he was drunk, does he deserve the same hatred by you as someone whose car's brakes failed because of a defective component?
 
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Plenty of leftists do
I doubt if any of them are sincere. Plenty of jews and mozlems have infiltrated Christian churches as well as fags and trannies to usurp and corrupt. I've run into more than a couple of Satanists or atheists who say "WWJD" in an effort to fuck with Christians in an argument. That doesn't automatically change the rules about Christianity simply because many Christians have been misguided by jew propaganda.
 
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