Vegan Natty Bodybuilding Vlog

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Serious question(s) for everyone participating. I've often heard the idea that we don't get the same vitamins and minerals from fruits and vegetables that people used to get because of soil depletion. The idea is that repeated farming of the same land on the corporate farming model has drained the soil so that now the produce doesn't contain the same nutritional content that it used to. Sounds logical. My question is this: do plants absorb minerals and vitamins from the soil that are not essential for them? If an essential vitamin or mineral is missing, the plant won't grow (literally "essential"). So, for this "soil depletion" theory to withstand scrutiny, plants would need to absorb minerals they don't require for survival. Does that happen? If so, how? The reason this question comes up is that many vegans hold that B-12 was available to earlier generations from plant sources, but that soil depletion has ended that. I've heard similar theories from non-vegans promoting all sorts of supplements. Do plants absorb minerals they don't require, or are we really talking about eating dirt? The soil in my garden is being "farmed" for the first time right now. Do my tomatoes and squash have nutritional qualities not found in store bought produce?
The b12 is produced by bacteria in the soil and is ON the vegetables, not in them. I don't know about soil depletion specifically but I would imagine that dead soil is exactly that and lacks bacteria. But you have the same problem with meticulously scrubbed, or worse, peeled vegetables.
Fun fact: factory farmed cattle has the exact same problem and their feed is supplemented with b12, as well, otherwise their meat wouldn't supply you with b12 either.

"The only organisms to produce vitamin B12 are certain bacteria, and archaea. Bacteria are found on plants that herbivores eat; they are taken into the animals' digestive system, proliferate and form part of their permanent gut flora, producing vitamin B12 internally."

 
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Now that makes perfect sense to me. Depleted soil would make the nutrient content lower in the things depleted and things derived from them. My question is about nutrients that are essential and non-essential for the plant. I can see where a shortage (even a relative shortage) of an essential nutrient or a change in the microorganisms could cause a change in taste even though the plant can still grow. Do plants absorb or otherwise produce nutrients that are not essential for the plant? Plants don't need Vitamin B-12 to grow and reproduce. I don't know why they would produce or store it from an evolutionary standpoint. In other words, if early man got B-12 on a vegan diet, it was from eating dirt.

As to eating things like GMO foods from Monsanto, the biggest thing is that they want to grow food that they can spray with Roundup and pesticides without killing the food. It killing you is not really much of their concern. They have lobbyists and lawyers for that. They literally want to sell you food with Roundup on it.

In all fairness, the soil in my garden has been repeatedly enriched by my cat shitting in it. He sucks.
The b12 is produced by bacteria in the soil and is ON the vegetables, not in them. I don't know about soil depletion specifically but I would imagine that dead soil is exactly that and lacks bacteria. But you have the same problem with meticulously scrubbed, or worse, peeled vegetables.
Fun fact: factory farmed cattle has the exact same problem and their feed is supplemented with b12, as well, otherwise their meat wouldn't supply you with b12 either.

"The only organisms to produce vitamin B12 are certain bacteria, and archaea. Bacteria are found on plants that herbivores eat; they are taken into the animals' digestive system, proliferate and form part of their permanent gut flora, producing vitamin B12 internally."

An acquaintance was just on travels through cattle country...Nebraska the travel group marveled at the miles of cattle all same all standing in mud...for acre apon acre.
Fed phactory phood..and most likely liver diseased or diabetic from the phood. Antibiotics help make them fat.
Its fookun gross and a terrible thing to base a burger world on.
They think twice to the cost of beef I sold them.
Thanks for info on b12 I was just sitting down to study some more on vitamins in or on fruits and veggies.
The hippies at advancing eco agriculture are pretty smart pants on plant nutrition I'm going to look them over.
 

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An acquaintance was just on travels through cattle country...Nebraska the travel group marveled at the miles of cattle all same all standing in mud...for acre apon acre.
Fed phactory phood..and most likely liver diseased or diabetic from the phood. Antibiotics help make them fat.
Its fookun gross and a terrible thing to base a burger world on.
They think twice to the cost of beef I sold them.
Thanks for info on b12 I was just sitting down to study some more on vitamins in or on fruits and veggies.
The hippies at advancing eco agriculture are pretty smart pants on plant nutrition I'm going to look them over.
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An acquaintance was just on travels through cattle country...Nebraska the travel group marveled at the miles of cattle all same all standing in mud...for acre apon acre.
Fed phactory phood..and most likely liver diseased or diabetic from the phood. Antibiotics help make them fat.
Its fookun gross and a terrible thing to base a burger world on.
They think twice to the cost of beef I sold them.
Thanks for info on b12 I was just sitting down to study some more on vitamins in or on fruits and veggies.
The hippies at advancing eco agriculture are pretty smart pants on plant nutrition I'm going to look them over.
The greatest trick the Jews have played on us is making us believe that being a good steward of this world is gay.
I dont really like linking to NPR but they investigated feed lots a little in this story and explain about feedlot beeves...

The animal is feed high sugar content feed corn, that isn't a ruminant food, the rumen leaks, the liver gets infected, they use anti biotics, the thing gets fatter. You get sicker because of the phood.

Now humans get a similar problem. Marbling of human muscle via excess fat can lead to diabetic outcomes among other things. Sugar is again a culprit. Cows ain't made for sugar and neither are we.
 
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Now humans get a similar problem. Marbling of human muscle via excess fat can lead to diabetic outcomes among other things.
One of my favorite fitness gurus, Doug McGuff, is a an ER doctor. He talks about imaging of the leg muscles of fat people and how he thought their muscles would be strong due to just holding them up. To the contrary, no, their muscles are atrophied and encased in fat. He has a presentation where he shows some scans for comparison. It bears out what you said.
 

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Serious question(s) for everyone participating. I've often heard the idea that we don't get the same vitamins and minerals from fruits and vegetables that people used to get because of soil depletion.
Artificial selection of produce has also diminished nutrition in plants because produce is selected on things like yield or appearance, not necessarily on nutritional value

One of my favorite fitness gurus, Doug McGuff, is a an ER doctor. He talks about imaging of the leg muscles of fat people and how he thought their muscles would be strong due to just holding them up. To the contrary, no, their muscles are atrophied and encased in fat. He has a presentation where he shows some scans for comparison. It bears out what you said.
Disgusting

Fat people should be in jail for vandalism
 

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welp, the vegan shill's been banned. Better late then never I guess.

sv3rige on a (mostly?) vegan diet vs carnivore:



Even if one were to make excuses for the former and say he did veganism wrong, how come he's improved his looks (and if you watch the vids, his mental clarity as well) so much by switching to a diet that is, according to vegans, so bad for humans?

If you eat things that are actually bad for you, depending on how bad they are you will experience consequences relatively immediately - vomiting, diarrhea, stomach pain, skin issues, bloating, brain fog, etc.

If not only the adverse effects are absent, but your health is improving, then clearly what you're eating can't be that bad.

You don't need to waste time reading minutia of nutrition science to realize vegans are lying. Just a basic amount of observing and thinking will do.

The vegan faggot has to retreat into "ah but you see, there are some magical invisible downsides to eating meat that only begin really affecting you when you're 60-70y old and you'd totally have no health problems at that age if you ate plants only, which is why you should be imprisoned (or beaten and killed if you resist) if you eat meat, for your own safety".
 

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One of my favorite fitness gurus, Doug McGuff, is a an ER doctor. He talks about imaging of the leg muscles of fat people and how he thought their muscles would be strong due to just holding them up. To the contrary, no, their muscles are atrophied and encased in fat. He has a presentation where he shows some scans for comparison. It bears out what you said.
Some of these morbidly obese fat fuckers are walking around with literally hundreds of kilograms of fat on them. You can't carry that if you aren't fucking strong, regardless of what the scans or whatever show.
 

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One of my favorite fitness gurus, Doug McGuff, is a an ER doctor. He talks about imaging of the leg muscles of fat people and how he thought their muscles would be strong due to just holding them up. To the contrary, no, their muscles are atrophied and encased in fat. He has a presentation where he shows some scans for comparison. It bears out what you said.
Sarcopenia
Loss of muscle mass.

Fatty muscle is another kettle.

Insulin+mtor= bad*edit ( less than optimal as we age, insulin wears out as a good growth hormone)

Leucine + mtor =good

High animal protien good for muscle retention. As you age and or sedentary lifestyle, more protien needed to keep muscle mass, *edit(and correct amounts at each feeding no less than 20% at breaky, 40% and 40% preferably moar )
Vegans will need way more bcaa supplementation to keep up nutrients.
Feed your muscle animal protien early in day!
Eat moar meat!
 
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Every Vegan I've ever seen looks like they are at deaths door.

I think it's just a fad being pushed by environmentalists to try and stop people eating meat.

Eat meat and train hard to stay healthy folks!
 

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I think he's a dipshit for his diet and his workout routine, but I'd like to see where this goes.

Perhaps Master Chief is afraid that carnivores and omnivores will be BLOWN OUT BY THE MIGHT OF THE HUMAN BRUSH HOG.
 

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Complete bullshit to ban a guy for arguing nutrition.
He would go into every thread to claim the superiority of veganism and that all carnivores screw up their bodies by eating meat because nature is wrong.

I think he's a dipshit for his diet and his workout routine, but I'd like to see where this goes.
Despite despising every vegan, I advocated keeping off-topic comments to a minimum to see where this goes.

Probably boot burning out but I still wanted to see it.
 

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Complete bullshit to ban a guy for arguing nutrition.
I mean he was a little retarded, actually quite retarded, in that he would invade every thread about the glories of veganism while showcasing a sickly mediocre physique, and he should be banned on those grounds; however, I was hoping he would stick around and keep trying to get big, because if he wants to get big, there was going to come a point where he was going to have to give up on veganism and start drinking raw bulls blood fresh from the source. And that was what I wanted to see vlogged ngl.
 

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Complete bullshit to ban a guy for arguing nutrition.
Did you actually read any of the interactions he had with people? He makes blatantly false claims on a regular basis, and ignores anybody correcting him.

One of the most shamelessly disingenuous turds I've interacted with online. I'd compare him to the Jew stereotype described by Hitler, but he's even worse.

And it's not only that, the combination of a vegan diet and his idiotic exercise regime is guaranteed to be detrimental to health. He's a menace, and if anything the ban was belated.

 

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welp, the vegan shill's been banned. Better late then never I guess.

sv3rige on a (mostly?) vegan diet vs carnivore:



Even if one were to make excuses for the former and say he did veganism wrong, how come he's improved his looks (and if you watch the vids, his mental clarity as well) so much by switching to a diet that is, according to vegans, so bad for humans?

If you eat things that are actually bad for you, depending on how bad they are you will experience consequences relatively immediately - vomiting, diarrhea, stomach pain, skin issues, bloating, brain fog, etc.

If not only the adverse effects are absent, but your health is improving, then clearly what you're eating can't be that bad.

You don't need to waste time reading minutia of nutrition science to realize vegans are lying. Just a basic amount of observing and thinking will do.

The vegan faggot has to retreat into "ah but you see, there are some magical invisible downsides to eating meat that only begin really affecting you when you're 60-70y old and you'd totally have no health problems at that age if you ate plants only, which is why you should be imprisoned (or beaten and killed if you resist) if you eat meat, for your own safety".
sv3rige
He is based
 
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You can still access his account page on the forum

So he probably received a suspension

Regardless, it's a warning to stop being a retard
 

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Did you actually read any of the interactions he had with people? He makes blatantly false claims on a regular basis, and ignores anybody correcting him.

One of the most shamelessly disingenuous turds I've interacted with online. I'd compare him to the Jew stereotype described by Hitler, but he's even worse.

And it's not only that, the combination of a vegan diet and his idiotic exercise regime is guaranteed to be detrimental to health. He's a menace, and if anything the ban was belated.

He was a pro-white white guy - cut the guy some slack.
 

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Complete bullshit to ban a guy for arguing nutrition.
He was tempbanned for 2 months, for the wrong reasons IMO, but he can come back and should be fine if he keeps veganposting contained to this thread.
 
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