Two New Black Sabbath Documentaries

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These are well done. I consider myself a Sabbath/Ozzy solo cultist and even I found some new information, new photos. Heard about these, thought "ehh, probably filler" but then a friend told me they were legit.

Two episodes doing a deep dive on Masters of Reality and Sabotage.

One non-filler example. I had no idea Black Sabbath played a show at a random high school in NJ during Masters of Reality tour, never saw this photo either.

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Nice one. Will certainly watch.


What are your thoughts on Sabbath descended bands like Electric Wizard, Sleep etc?
 

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Thanks for posting it. I'll definitely watch it this weekend.
 

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Sabbath had an astonishing run of six classic albums, all the way up to Technical Ecstasy, which was just horrible. Personally, I'd say that their debut was their magnum opus, being basically the first heavy metal album ever made, and it just so happens also an ironically dark coda to the entire psychadelic rock genre. That shit was unbelievably groovy. Groovier than anything except Zappa's and possibly also Santana and Jethro Tull's early live shows. And in a basic sense, early Sabbath was really upbeat, notwithstanding the superficially occultist themes. Case in point, the exuberantly pro-Christian song, After Forever, from Master of Reality. Can you remember any other popular bands from that era putting out such square material? And it was a metal track!


Ozzy's solo stuff was extremely hit or miss because he didn't have Tony keeping his rockstar ego king nonsense in check. I think of Ozzy as almost a kind of unguided rocket that happened to hit a certain portion of the sky that resonated with his audience. Not a professional musician except insofar as he collected a paycheck, aka the boomer rock star archetype.
 

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Sabbath had an astonishing run of six classic albums, all the way up to Technical Ecstasy, which was just horrible. Personally, I'd say that their debut was their magnum opus, being basically the first heavy metal album ever made, and it just so happens also an ironically dark coda to the entire psychadelic rock genre. That shit was unbelievably groovy. Groovier than anything except Zappa's and possibly also Santana and Jethro Tull's early live shows. And in a basic sense, early Sabbath was really upbeat, notwithstanding the superficially occultist themes. Case in point, the exuberantly pro-Christian song, After Forever, from Master of Reality. Can you remember any other popular bands from that era putting out such square material? And it was a metal track! Played a lot of JMC as well...don't fully recommend it these days. Keep a fire burning and an eye wide open.


Ozzy's solo stuff was extremely hit or miss because he didn't have Tony keeping his rockstar ego king nonsense in check. I think of Ozzy as almost a kind of unguided rocket that happened to hit a certain portion of the sky that resonated with his audience. Not a professional musician except insofar as he collected a paycheck, aka the boomer rock star archetype.
Back in 1986, I bought a 1964 Mercury Marauder (390 8 barrel). In the back, in the trunk the old lady had laid a package in a folder containing a number of 8-Tracks. "Black Sabbath-Master of Reality" was there as well as Jethro Tull. She had an old copy of the 1970's "Brick" and "The Trampps"....of course the Who and Led Zeppelin as well. " Iron Butterfly 'In-A-Gadda-Da-Vita'" was there as well as was "Creedence Clearwater Revival 'Bayou Country'", Jethro Tull's "Songs from the Wood (1977)", "Lynyrd Skynyrd" and a lot of "Fleetwood Mac"-"Eagles" tracks -- she had this collection as well: "Superstars Of The 70's" Vintage 8 Track Tape 1" that contained: Jackson Browne live 1978 Doctor My Eyes" She was kind of a wealthy younger boomer that collected...that wanted to get rid of the car but kept a lot of the "tunes in the trunk".... weird, yet created an invigorating ride that I got for free. I bought a lot more "car" than I expected back as a poor-boy in the mid-1980s. Black Sabbath was plugged in the 8-Track style for years. Endless Doors as well.
 
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I bought all of their albums back in the day and wore them out. Tony's signature riffage was a big influence on me when I was learning how to play. At first I couldn't figure out why Master Of Reality through Sabotage sounded so heavy, even compared to their own first two albums, the debut album and Paranoid, when Master Of Reality came out the sound just floored me, and later on I figured out why. The first two are recorded in standard tuning (EADGBE), and Master Of Reality, Volume 4, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, and Sabotage were tuned a step and a half down (C#) which just gives it this bad ass heavy vibe, like sludge you could cut with a knife, or gunk you could degrease your engine block with. If anything could be considered the birth of metal, I'd say it was Master Of Reality, although the band always rejected the Metal label and always considered themselves a rock band. Bill Ward was a monster drummer, I don't think people realize how great he was, they always sounded the best when he was drumming, but later when they were doing their reunion tours he didn't always tour with them.
Now I always keep an extra guitar tuned down for playing a few of those songs and I still get chills playing Into The Void with that tuning. It's just extreme bad assery, and it doesn't work in standard tuning.

They were back in standard tuning for Never Say Die, but that album has some pretty heavy riffage on it too, along with keyboards and even horns on some stuff (lol). Ozzy hated the NSD album, I think he hated it because they recorded it at a studio in Canada in the middle of January and he froze his ass off up there, but musically it's good, the title track is probably the worst song, very commercial sounding, almost like The Boys Are Back In Town but sped up a little. Johnny Blade is heavy duty though, and the rest of it has some great moments sprinkled in here and there.

When Ozzy used to do interviews back in the 80's he used to say he needed to keep making music because he hadn't done his Sgt. Pepper's album yet. As far as I was concerned Diary Of A Madman was his Sgt. Pepper's album, and that stinking CUNT he's married to should have been shot when she had it remastered with a different drummer and bass player playing the Bob Daisley and Lee Kerslake parts when they released it on CD so she could get out of paying Bob and Lee royalties, and they had not only played the parts but wrote some of the lyrics and music as well. Sharon is a fucking CUNT and I can't stand that Jewess whore. I bought that piece of shit CD and could immediately tell that they had taken a master piece and destroyed it with some yahoo's that they paid a 10 grand lump sum to go into a studio and re-record the drum and bass tracks. It was utter rubbish. Eventually they made it available with the original drum and bass tracks and gave Lee Kerslake his platinum album before he passed away from cancer. I wish it had been that CUNT Sharon that passed away from cancer. I hate that bitch. Can't fucking stand her sorry Jewess ass. They should have offered to give the original recorded version (the right one) of it to anyone who bought that fraudulent piece of garbage that CUNT tried to foist on the unassuming masses.

The 2002 re-issue controversy

The 2002 Diary of a Madman reissue was derided by fans due to the removal of Daisley and Kerslake's original bass and drum tracks. The re-issue featured re-recorded bass and drum tracks contributed by Osbourne's then-bassist and drummer Robert Trujillo and Mike Bordin, respectively. The move was suspected of being retaliatory in nature, as Daisley and Kerslake had successfully sued Osbourne and his wife/manager Sharon in court, winning songwriting credits and royalties for their contributions to Diary of a Madman.

Sharon later stated that Ozzy and not herself was responsible for the decision to re-record the parts, stating "because of Daisley and Kerslake's abusive and unjust behavior, Ozzy wanted to remove them from these recordings. We turned a negative into a positive by adding a fresh sound to the original albums."[17] However, Osbourne contradicted this claim in his 2009 autobiography, stating that the decision to re-record the original bass and drum parts was strictly Sharon's decision, and that "I didn't have anything to do with that decision."[18] He said his wife "just snapped" and had it done without his knowledge.[18] He also stated that "a sticker was put on the covers telling everyone about it",[18] though in fact the sticker was not initially placed on the re-issue and was only placed on the covers at a later date due to fan outcry over the altered recordings.

Deluxe 30th Anniversary Edition
In May 2011, Sony Legacy released its Deluxe 30th Anniversary Editions of Diary of a Madman and Blizzard of Ozz with the original bass and drum tracks restored. These releases also featured bonus tracks and previously unreleased live material featuring guitarist Rhoads – Diary of a Madman features a second CD entitled Ozzy Live, featuring previously-unreleased concert performances from the Blizzard of Ozz 1981 US tour.[19] A box set was also released which included the remastered editions of both albums on CD as well as vinyl, and a DVD documentary entitled Thirty Years After The Blizzard. Ozzy Live was also separately released as a double 180g vinyl exclusively on Record Store Day 2012.
Tony did some real good stuff in the 80's and 90's with Glenn Hughes as well.

Music is so subjective, but to me, nothing today compares to what these guys and others were doing back in the 1970's. It was a great time to be a kid growing up. I feel bad for those who never got to experience it, and am thankful that I did.
 

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What are your thoughts on Sabbath descended bands like Electric Wizard, Sleep etc?
I like stoner metal but I'm personally more of a sludge metal fan. Corrosion of Conformity, Crowbar, Down, Acid Bath and other 90s southern metal bands. While the stoner metal bands pick up where Sabbaths groovy stuff left off, sludge metal picks up where their heavy stuff left off. I also like bands like Elder and Pallbearer. You can really hear the Sabbath in Elder's Dead Roots Stirring and Pallbearer's Sorrow and Extinction.
Sabbath left me chasing the high that listening to Into the Void for the first time gave me. Songs like Underneath Everything and To Build a Mountain got close.
 

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Nice one. Will certainly watch.


What are your thoughts on Sabbath descended bands like Electric Wizard, Sleep etc?
Familiar with. Not bad but it comes off as an entirely different genre personally.

There are two versions of Black Sabbath that define my music passions.

The paranoid album comes off as righteous young male rage with jazz grooves. It's confident anger with a smile. It's a very energetic album, which is a breakthrough of sorts, heavy but frantic. This is tough to express with words lol. Hand of Doom is the best example.

Then there is my personal favorite incarnation, Vol 4 through Sabotage. Decadent, foreboding, flashy, but dinosaur like plodding too, unmistakably English. It's perfect mid 1970's metal.

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DECADENT!

Black Sabbath perfecting itself can be found on the first two minutes of A National Acrobat. Ozzy's vocals too.


Black Sabbath peaked as a live act in 74-75. Symptom of the Universe from Asbury Park 8/75 is a good example.

 

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Ozzy's solo stuff was extremely hit or miss
I really do consider the first two masterpieces. I also think each album after Blizzard was at minimum good up to and concluding with Down to Earth.

The final Black Sabbath album 13, minus Ward, was also surprisingly good.
 

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Bob Daisley and Lee Kerslake parts when they released it on CD so she could get out of paying Bob and Lee royalties, and they had not only played the parts but wrote some of the lyrics and music as well. Sharon is a fucking CUNT and I can't stand that Jewess whore.
It's beyond evil. I got an even worse story.

Daisley and Kerslake were suing Sharon in I think 99. Sharons father Don Arden agreed to help them recoup royalties. Sharon refused to speak to her father Don for the past 18 years, even telling her kids that their grandfather died.

When Sharon found out in 1999 that Daisley and Kerslake were getting help from her father Don, she contacted him and made up lol. She then convinced him to produce a written statement asserting that Daisley and Kerslake bribed him for help.

Most Jewish thing I ever read.
 

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I like stoner metal but I'm personally more of a sludge metal fan. Corrosion of Conformity, Crowbar, Down, Acid Bath and other 90s southern metal bands. While the stoner metal bands pick up where Sabbaths groovy stuff left off, sludge metal picks up where their heavy stuff left off. I also like bands like Elder and Pallbearer. You can really hear the Sabbath in Elder's Dead Roots Stirring and Pallbearer's Sorrow and Extinction.
Sabbath left me chasing the high that listening to Into the Void for the first time gave me. Songs like Underneath Everything and To Build a Mountain got close.
Used to be a huge fan of the Kyuss back in the day. Best COC album imo is with the red pig. Yeah, Albatros.
 
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Nordic frost and Azzmador did a deep-dive on Ozzy a while back

 

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Most secular music is in the same wide boat, including a lot of "KPOP", which I don't listen to either for that reason and because it sucks.

I believe music should glorify God, not Satan and his various minions.
Sorry for the misunderstanding. Carry on.
 

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How fitting that the thumbs down vote is actually red, too! Guess where that leads? Where the fans of the occult are headed.
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