The Earth is NOT Flat... But It Is Expanding/Hollow

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All these fancy theories are only steering us away from the jew...
Dude. NASA is crawling with Jews and its a spigot of $$$ for them (as if they didnt already have enough). These fancy theories are a fertile grounds with forums all over the interwebs full of devotees. Their adherents are very open to NASA deceptions and its a turnkey process to show them how the Jews are part of the grand deception. I see these fancy theories more as an opportunity than a diversion. Knowing the tenets of the theories makes it easy to harvest a shitload of them
 

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Chapter seven says two different things, just a few verses separating both versions. According to Genesis 7:17 the flood lasted 40 days.

But according to Genesis 7:24 β€” just seven verses later β€” another flood is mentioned and this one lasted 150 days.

Here's some supplementary homework I did:


If you believe in the Biblical flood narrative, do you also believe that Noah gathered pairs of all the animals or (7 pairs as it then says a few verses later in direct contradiction of what came before again) in the world and put them on a giant arc for 40-150 days?
You flood this board with antichrist nonsense. Here is a reasonable answer to your question.
Biblical Overview of the Flood Timeline
by Bodie Hodge on August 23, 2010

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Bodie Hodge, AiG-U.S., offers an overview of the timing of the events of the Flood according to Scripture.

An examination of the Flood account in Genesis 6–8 gives some time-related milestones that form the overall structure in the progression of the year-long global Flood. Table 1 briefly summarizes these milestones that can help us understand some of the geologic details of the Flood.
Table 1: Timeline of Flood Duration1
Timeline (days)DurationMonth/DayDescriptionBible Reference
0Initial reference point600th year of Noah’s life: 2nd month, 17th day of the monthThe fountains of the great deep broke apart and the windows of heaven were opened; it began to rain. This happened on the seventeenth day of the second month. Noah actually entered the Ark seven days prior to this.Genesis 7:11
4040 days and nights3rd month, 27th day of the monthRain fell for 40 days, and then water covered the earth’s highest places (at that time) by over ~20 feet (15 cubits) and began the stage of flooding until the next milestone.2Genesis 7:11–12, Genesis 7:17–20
150150 days (including the initial 40 days)7th month, 17th day of the monthThe water rose to its highest level (covering the whole earth) sometime between the 40th and 150th day, and the end of these 150 days was the seventeenth day of the seventh month. The Ark rested on the mountains of Ararat. On the 150th day, the springs of the great deep were shut off, and the rain from above ceased, and the water began continually receding. Genesis 7:24–8:5
150 + 74 = 22474 days10th month, 1st day of the monthThe tops of the mountains became visible on the tenth month, first day.Genesis 8:5
224 + 40 = 26440 days11th month, 11th day of the monthAfter 40 more days, Noah sent out a raven.Genesis 8:6
264 + 7 = 2717 days11th month, 18th day of the monthThe dove was sent out seven days after the raven. It had no resting place and returned to Noah.3Genesis 8:6–12
271 + 7 = 2787 days11th month, 25th day of the monthAfter seven more days, Noah sent out the dove again. It returned again but this time with an olive leaf in its beak.Genesis 8:10–11
278 + 7 = 2857 days12th month, 2nd day of the monthAfter seven more days, Noah sent out the dove again, and it did not return. Genesis 8:12
31429 days601st year of Noah life: 1st month, 1st day of the monthNoah removed the cover of the Ark on the first day of the first month. The surface of the earth was dried up, and Noah could verify this to the extent of what he could see.Genesis 8:13
370 (371 if counting the first day and last day as full days)56 days2nd month, 27th day of the monthThe earth was dry, and God commanded Noah’s family and the animals to come out of the Ark. From the first day of the year during the daylight portion there were 29.5 more days left in the month plus 26.5 more days left in the second month until the exit.Genesis 8:14–17, Genesis 7:11
Because the biblical account is a reliable record of earth history, it is to be expected that these milestones would be significant in correlating the prominent geological features preserved in the rock record. For example, we are told that the onset of the Flood was triggered by the breaking up of the fountains of β€œthe great deep.” This would imply a violent beginning to the Flood, as springs or fountains of water burst forth to spew vast quantities of water and perhaps other material onto the surface from deeper inside the earth. Furthermore, because this subterranean water and other materials bursting forth is mentioned first in Genesis 7:11 and 8:2, this may suggest that the majority of the water for the Flood came from that source and perhaps helped to supply the waters that are referred to as falling through β€œthe windows of heaven.”4
The springs of the great deep were likely the trigger that ultimately resulted in the continental-sized break-up of the earth’s crust. The bursting forth of subterranean waters would probably produce tsunamis (granting the ocean depth was sufficient) and would therefore seem to also imply that the Flood began with catastrophic means. Thus, this description of the onset of the Flood provides clues as to where we should look in the geological record for the pre-Flood/Flood boundary.
Of course the issue of pre-Flood sedimentation needs to be discussed. Rivers, such as the Pishon, Gihon, Hiddekel (Tigris), and Euphrates (Genesis 2:11–14), would have been carrying some sediment for about 1656 years from the Creation.5 It is also possible for other smaller catastrophes to have occurred during this time (e.g., volcanoes). This raises an interesting question: were these sediments disturbed and/or redistributed during the Flood or were they buried in situ?
Another milestone with geological implications is day 150. At this stage of the Flood, we are told that the Ark came to rest in the mountains of Ararat. This implies that modern mountain-building, at least in what we now call the Middle East, had begun (see also Psalm 104:8–9).6 Furthermore, if our current understanding of mountain-building is correct, the formation of the mountains of Ararat required the Eurasian Plate, African Plate and Arabian Plate to collide with one another (perhaps with some contribution from movement of the Indian Plate).
The springs of the great deep were likely the trigger that ultimately resulted in the continental-sized break-up of the earth’s crust.
The biblical account also indicates that on day 150 the springs of the great deep were stopped and the windows of heaven were closed, so from then on the waters began to steadily recede. Therefore, we might expect to see in the geological record evidence of a transition, perhaps from larger scale sediment layers to smaller scale geologic effects, as well as higher concentration of basin, abyssal plain, and continental shelf sedimentation.
Yet another milestone is day 314 (see Table 1). By this time during the Flood event, the biblical account indicates that the water had receded from off the continental land surfaces sufficiently for the surface of the landscape to essentially be dry, at least in the areas as far as Noah could observe.
Then, finally, by day 370 the earth’s continental land surfaces were dry. Thus, it can be noted that the recessional stage of the Flood (when the waters were retreating) lasted about five and half months, while the Flood’s inundatory stage (when the waters were rising) lasted exactly five months. The recessional stage lasted almost the same length of time as it took for the water to overtake the earth globally. The Flood event finished with another two months needed to complete the drying process.
After the Flood ended on day 370 (with the command for Noah to exit the Ark), it would seem that the hydrological cycle had already been re-established. This is indicated by the rain clouds through which Noah saw the rainbow, and the set times for seedtime and harvest in accordance with the seasonal cycle of rain (Genesis 8:22; 9:12–17). Of course, other milestones throughout the Flood account could be highlighted, but these are most relevant to geological and weather processes, and should suffice for this brief overview.7
Footnotes
  1. This table utilizes a 360-day calendar as most ancient calendars had in the Middle East. This was likely the calendar passed down to these various cultures from Noah and his family before deviations occurred. No one used the 365-day year until the Egyptians, according to Herodotus book 2, line 4. The Egyptians were descendants of Noah’s grandson Mizraim, so this was well after the Flood. Virtually all other ancient calendars used a 360-day year with an intercalary month every few years. This was likely a carry-over from Noah through Babel. So we should stick with the 360-day year. This particular Flood year is assumed to exclude an intercalary month. This table was developed by Bodie Hodge, AiG-U.S., and he has given permission for its use.
  2. Some argue from the Hebrew that the Ark officially rose off the surface on the 40th day: e.g., William D. Barrick and Roger Sigler, "Hebrew and Geologic Analysis of the Chronology and Parallelism of the Flood: Implications for the Interpretations of the Geologic Record," in Proceedings of the Fifth International Conference on Creationism, ed. Robert L. Ivey, Jr., (Pittsburg: Creation Science Fellowship, 2003), pp. 397–408.
  3. This seven-day period is not directly stated in the text, but can be derived from the subsequent verses. Genesis 8:10 states that Noah waited "yet another seven days" before sending the dove out a second time. This implies that there was an initial seven-day period between the sending of the raven and the dove.
  4. A.A. Snelling, "A catastrophic breakup: A scientific look at catastrophic plate tectonics," Answers, 2:2 (2007), pp. 44-48.
  5. Using the genealogy found in Genesis 5 and Noah's age at the time of the Flood reveals that the world had been in existence for roughly 1,656 years.
  6. Psalm 104 begins with a reference to the events of creation week and goes on to mention ships (Psalm 104:26) and Lebanon (Psalm 104:16), which are near the time of the Psalmist. So logically, other events in history since creation, such as the Flood, should be expected within the Psalm as it continues. It should be obvious that Psalm 104:6–9 is referring to the Flood since verse 9 specifically says the water will not return to cover the earth, which refers to God's post-Flood declarations in Genesis 9:11, 15 and Isaiah 54:9. Had Psalm 104:6–9 been referring to creation week, then God would have erred since water did return to cover the earth during the Flood. For these and other reasons, the beginning of Psalm 104:8 should be rendered from Hebrew into English as: "The mountains rose and valleys sank down . . . ," which several translations have concludedβ€”e.g., Latin Vulgate (AD 405), Geneva Bible (1599), Tyndale/Coverdale (1535), New American Standard (1971 and 1995), English Standard Version (2001), Holman Christian Standard Bible (2004), etc.
  7. The Cataclysm Chronology Research Group (CCRG) is currently involved in an exhaustive linguistic and literary study of the Hebrew narrative of the Genesis Flood in order to determine its chronology, and thereby, provide the only solid foundation for research on the geological record of the Flood. (For more details, see β€œWhy Study the Chronology of the Flood?”)
 

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I beg to differ. Have you not followed CuzinEd's posting history?
Oh I did and I adressed this issue in my response:
And this is where the Pot proves me wrong. He cousin eded me by doubling my reply, and thus proved beyond the logical and possible, that my theory is correct.
Welcome to 2015.
 

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Oh I did and I adressed this issue in my response:
Well see, this is why I liked the old forum software because it would show a link to a post's replies so that they could be read immediately. Instead, with this forum software you have to wade through 10 pages of a thread masquerading as some half-assed Jules Verne novel.
 

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Well see, this is why I liked the old forum software because it would show a link to a post's replies so that they could be read immediately. Instead, with this forum software you have to wade through 10 pages of a thread masquerading as some half-assed Jules Verne novel.
Ok then why don’t you create your own internet ?
Or metaverse ?
If you do, don’t forget to expand it infinitely,
 

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Livescience.com: 'Wind' from Earth's middle layer blows through a secret passage beneath Panama.
I am always frustrated by these articles. They always make and astounding statement like this one:
This opening, located some 62 miles (100 km) below Earth's surface
and then you read on searching for the details on it and it just goes into all the theory and speculations but never the hard evidence of the incredible claim. Its all so tiresome
 

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Ok then why don’t you create your own internet ?
Or metaverse ?
If you do, don’t forget to expand it infinitely,
Well, if existence truly encompasses an infinite number of universes then clearly in at least one of those universes I did indeed create my own Internet. So in a sense, I've already been there, done that.

It also expands infinitely. Well, in at least one of those universes it does. If not, then I suppose our mere discussion of it here will have conjured such a universe into existence.
 

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I am always frustrated by these articles. They always make and astounding statement like this one:

and then you read on searching for the details on it and it just goes into all the theory and speculations but never the hard evidence of the incredible claim. Its all so tiresome

More fun debunking oppertunities.

This guys are all such vapid schills for sheckles!
 

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Well, if existence truly encompasses an infinite number of universes then clearly in at least one of those universes I did indeed create my own Internet. So in a sense, I've already been there, done that.

It also expands infinitely. Well, in at least one of those universes it does. If not, then I suppose our mere discussion of it here will have conjured such a universe into existence.
Someone read his Nietzsche or used autism…
 

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Awww sweet a schizo thread
 

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I believe that the Moon is flat
 

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I believe that the Moon is flat
Flat cheese like a kraft single.

I read a stupid engineer explaining making a bridge and measuring distances to make sure piers were adjust for erfs "curve".

If more people understood flat, we could probably have flying cars and more jetson stuff
 

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okay, the earth is hollow. I won't dispute it. I just am not sure how this affects me other than the fact that if i tunnel deep enough under my house i can get to the subterranean jew mole network and the caves where the gnomes of zurich hide, but i don't know how I'll manage to kill all their roving gangs of crab people to take hold some of their geld
 

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I think this is the guy I was talking about, everything is expanding on an atomic level, and that's what causes gravity.
It actually is a possibility, in my mind.

Because basically: pull forces don’t make any sense.

But it could actually be a lack-of-so-much-push force, like the Earth just isn’t bombarding you with particles as much as space is. In other words the gravity is coming from overhead, pushing you down, not from below, pulling you down.

Or various different things. Miles has actually come up with further gravity theories since that one. But I like the expanding universe theory as particularly creative and elegant.
 

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My feeling is that if the world is flat or hollow nothing changes so doesn't matter.
Oh it changes everything. If we can get to the center of the tootsie pop we'll find where the leprechauns stash their gold. o_O
 

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One thing i have always wondered is the burning of fossil fuels and the decrease caused by this of mass that might affect orbit. Totally something i came up with on my own and probably retarded. But shouldn't the resulting loss of mass caused by our burning of oil make a difference in our space orbit?
And not just fossil fuels! Imagine for a moment the Earth wasn't held safe and eternal in the palm of God's hand, like a plate of spaghetti or whatever. Imagine if instead, like a balloon, it was slowly expanding in emptiness.

Then suddenly a volcano erupted!

Would this world not explode with a bang? Or if not that, then with a warbling squeal flutter about the room until it lies limp on the floor?
 
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friend maybe you could share some as you are apparently familiar with them and believe the merit of them

FWIW I don't really have a dog in this fight one way or the other but yea long range guys reference the coriolis effect but only at very extreme distance. Probably far enough that it would be difficult to discern if it isn't just subtle shifts in the wind. I fail to see how the earth being flat or hollow gets me more money, hurts my enemies, or otherwise enriches my life. Everyone I've known IRL who got into Flat earth had an absolute train wreck of a personal life, and that's colored my expectations of the quandary. That being said if they wanna strap themselves to rockets or violate international law/treaties to see the ice barrier that's pretty cool, so do your thing homie.
 

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National Geographic: The universe is expanding faster than it should be.
 

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I would appreciate an explanation from the Flat Earth Society about why water circles drains in a clockwise direction in the northern hemisphere and counterclockwise in the southern hemisphere.

What's the explanation for the Foucault Pendulum?

With regards to Hollow Earth, my only reading on the subject is the writing of Miguel Serrano. He describes the Earth as an apple with the core removed. As someone navigates towards a pole they continue on a surface leading inwards to the hollowed cylinder, on which they can continue to the other end and back out again.

This is tied into Agartha, and he discusses a US military flotilla going to Antarctica in 1947 and supposedly sustaining serious casualties before returning home.

These things are mixed in with his writings about the occult, so I'm not clear if he's being literal, symbolic, or erecting blind alleys. His esoteric writing is sound so I have a difficult time rejecting things he says outright.
 

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but yea long range guys reference the coriolis effect but only at very extreme distance
dude you must have pulled out your old flat earth debunk notes from ten years ago; the best flat earth debunkers dont use that one anymore. its too embarrassing. But its a cool thought exercise though.
>earth spinning east 1000 mph
>sniper shoots bullet north to south
>earth spins east under bullet
>account for east/west distance delta

the problem is that it has never been proven in ballistics tests and thats why military cant put this stuff in these sily tables in sniper manuals in either the army or marines because it doesnt stand up to testing. thats why Redbulls Felix Baubgartner can go up in a balloon over several miles over new mexico to an altitude where there is almost no atmosphere (you know the atmospheric density factor in your "snipers" correction tables) and three hours later Felix jumps out and lands on the earth where he started. That is why focaults pendulum never works unasistd and cant be tested or proven because its based on the same nonsense. But nice try by guy with "no dog in the fight" lol even the sniper youtubers own subs gave him a hard time when he went into this territory
 
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