The distilled water question

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Nice. How much does the system cost, and how often do you have to replace the filters?
From UK amazon it was 40 pounds sterling. Each filter cost 9 pounds. They say one filter lasts for two months (300 liters), but a few comments on amazon said it was really 5 weeks before they noticed a difference.
 
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It would be curious to send that dreck to a lab for actual chemical analysis.
I'd guess nitrates and toxic waste. When they say fluoridation of the water supply, they mean toxic waste dumping from the aluminum and fertilizer industry. That waste product just so happens to be hydrofluorosilicic acid plus a load of other nasties like arsenic and uranium. Some guy in northern Ireland tested Irish water and found a ton of toxic waste substances in it due to fluoridation.

They used to put sodium fluoride in the water, but not these days. That was bad enough.
 

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Remember when the bush cabal bought a yuge chunk of land in Paraguay or uraguay?

It was over a giant aquifer, because water matters!

Get your water right Whiteman!!
 

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Looks like an excellent filter. 5000 gallons is very long lasting. If I were living in America, I'd get that one plus a spare filter. That would last me years and years.
It takes out everything from pharmacuticals, biologicals, flouride and even radioactive materials. No joke. It also leaves the trace minerals in. IMHO, it's the best water commercial water filter of it's class.
 

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How does reverse osmosis fit into all this?
 

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How does reverse osmosis fit into all this?
I'm not knowledgeable about RO for residential drinking water. But for technical water / manufacturing applications, it's used to remove dissolved minerals from incoming water.

I know it is a costlier system in terms of maintenance (the filter media, etc.), so I imagine that carries over to residential use... I'm sure someone else can break it down more specifically.
 

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A question on this -- don't these VOCs evaporate (hence the "volatile") at a lower temperature than water? So shouldn't they exit the distilling process with the steam, and not stay in the distilled water? If you're right, I've never thought of this point.
That is the purpose of the small hole in the condensation coil of your water distiller, for VOCs to escape.
 

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I use a 50 EUR reverse osmosis device and was sceptical at first. So I bought TDS meter and test strips. Result was very convincing. Unfiltered: 160 ppm, filtered: 8ppm. Nitrate and chlorine removed.

The 8ppm remain as silicates are even smaller than the 1 nm filter pores and can slip through. Meds and hormones are much bigger molecules and therefore filtered too.
 

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That is the purpose of the small hole in the condensation coil of your water distiller, for VOCs to escape.
I see, thanks for the clarification. I never noticed that there was a venting hole, but I'll take a look.
 

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I see, thanks for the clarification. I never noticed that there was a venting hole, but I'll take a look.
I don't know how effective it is, but I'd imagine it works for very volatile chemicals. That's the hole you need to plug if you were ever to distill ethanol in your water distiller, btw.
 

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Distilling water removes basically everything from the water and to put it simply, water has a max capacity of stuff (good and/or bad) it can hold. This means that it is even worse to put distilled water into plastic bottles as it just pulls and pulls plastic (estrogen basically) into the water.

Distilled water (without the plastic bottle) either distilled yourself or purchased in a glass bottle is often used for "detoxing" or water fasting as it, due to the same principle as above, will pull toxins from your body but also the good stuff so isn't recommended for long-term use. You can re-mineralize it and even re-structure distilled water if you want but all that is time consuming.

Best thing to do is do your research on the best filter you can buy. Bench top works. Installed under the sink is even simpler for you.
Jesus. Now Im not drinking anymore of the .88 cent distilled water in the plastic jugs they sell at the store. I guess I will get a proper filter and perhaps my own distiller.

Question, if I get a distiller, can I make my own spirits if I was so inclined?
 

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One thing to note for those interested in the purest, healthiest water is that alternatives to BPA found in BPA-free plastic are potentially just as bad as BPA. BPA-free is once again a marketing lie from our glorious corporations.


Just get glass bottles.
 

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alternatives to BPA found in BPA-free plastic are potentially just as bad as BPA. BPA-free is once again a marketing lie from our glorious corporations.
Why wouldn't an alternative be just as toxic? If it's taking the place of BPA it must have the same form and function and therefore it interacts with the human body in the same way as BPA.

That's like, basic organic chemistry from high school.
 

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Shit I have been drinking distilled water for at least 9 months. I hope I didn’t do a big mistake. I just hate the taste of tap water.
 

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Shit I have been drinking distilled water for at least 9 months. I hope I didn’t do a big mistake. I just hate the taste of tap water.
I mean, do you feel okay and healthy? If you feel okay and healthy and you're getting your tasks done well, who cares? Distilled water would likely draw through osmosis some salts from the surrounding tissue, but by the time it hits your stomach, the water is going to get combined with food, which will probably have enough electrolytes to saturate the distilled water, I would think when combined with whatever the distilled water draws into itself on its way to the stomach. I don't really have any scientific data to point you to, but I don't think that distilled water is just an unlimited vacuum of electrolytes and if it works through osmosis it can only draw electrolytes from things that it makes physical contact with and its going to become non-distilled water by the time its shipped around the body to the individual cells. You can also just add a few electrolyes to your distilled water and make it snake juice I would think.

As to the VOCs, yeah that probably sucks but that's one of many problems with the tap water compared to heavy metals, plastics, pharmaceuticals, fluoride, chlorine, etc, but yeah just run everything through an activated charcoal filter and you should be as set as you possibly can be.
 

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You still have to put distilled water through an activated charcoal filter to get the VOCs out (mainly chlorine).
Chlorine itself is not a VOC. It reacts with certain organics in the water to create volatile organic compounds. Municipal water systems are required to regularly test for these disinfection byproducts, to make sure they stay below a certain level. Even so, filtering them completely out of your tapwater is obviously preferable.

The steam distillers I have experience with pass chlorinated tapwater through 2 separate activated carbon/charcoal filters before beginning the distillation process. Water out the other side is free and clear.

Distilled water for drinking won’t hurt you, though it tastes funny (no minerals), and OP is correct about it drawing those minerals from your tissues. I’ve heard a couple older ladies say they drink a certain amount of it to help with wrinkles. Who knows about that...

I am lucky enough to have access to well-water from wells 600ft deep. It is the best tasting water I’ve ever had, and quenches thirst like nothing else. I use it for drinking, making tea, ice, etc.

If you live in a city that treats surface water for its municipal supply, I would very much recommend filtering it as hard as you can go. Surface water is much more polluted and goes through a much more involved treatment process to make it potable.
 

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When they say fluoridation of the water supply, they mean toxic waste dumping from the aluminum and fertilizer industry. That waste product just so happens to be hydrofluorosilicic acid plus a load of other nasties like arsenic and uranium
Exactly right. Not so long ago, my town had a vote on whether or not to drop fluoride from drinking water. They kept it, like idiots, because they were worried about β€œthe poor children’s teeth.” That, and a massive pushback from the local health dept and one local dentist.

No one told them that there is more fluoride in 12ozs. of Coke than is in 24ozs. of local tapwater. Pretty sure the poor kids are getting all the soda they want.

And of course they are ignorant to the fact that the fluoride added to the tapwater is NOT sodium fluoride like in your toothpaste (which is applied topically, then spit out), but fluorosilicic acid, which is literally a toxic waste byproduct of the Chinese fertilizer industry that goes through exactly zero purity checks. If they weren’t able to sell it to Americans to drink and bathe in, they would have to dispose of it as toxic waste.
 

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Alkaline Water and Longevity: A Murine Study
Abstract
The biological effect of alkaline water consumption is object of controversy. The present paper presents a 3-year survival study on a population of 150 mice, and the data were analyzed with accelerated failure time (AFT) model. Starting from the second year of life, nonparametric survival plots suggest that mice watered with alkaline water showed a better survival than control mice. Interestingly, statistical analysis revealed that alkaline water provides higher longevity in terms of β€œdeceleration aging factor” as it increases the survival functions when compared with control group; namely, animals belonging to the population treated with alkaline water resulted in a longer lifespan. Histological examination of mice kidneys, intestine, heart, liver, and brain revealed that no significant differences emerged among the three groups indicating that no specific pathology resulted correlated with the consumption of alkaline water. These results provide an informative and quantitative summary of survival data as a function of watering with alkaline water of long-lived mouse models.


they lived longer? but no known reason from organ exams.


see also;

and;
In vivo antiaging effects of alkaline water supplementation
Water is a major requirement for our body and water should be alkaline.

and this;
The pH value can vary from 0 to 14. Solutions with a pH between 0 and 7 are acidic, while those with a pH between 7 and 14 are basic. Pure distilled water should be neutral with a pH of 7, but because it absorbs carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, it's actually slightly acidic with a pH of 5.8.

eat your water.
and remember 150ppm of deuterium in your water is bad for your lil mitochondrial motors!
 

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I keep hearing it drains the body of the useful salts and minerals if used in excess.
Distilled water would likely draw through osmosis some salts from the surrounding tissue
I think you should read up on hypotonic vs isotonic vs hypertonic saline solutions. The thing is that even normal tap water is hypotonic and thus draws salts from surrounding tissue, simply because most tap water have less salt concentration than what is in the body (which is isotonic). Sure, distilled water is much less salty than tap water, but in the extra grams per liter it would dilate the body compared to normal tap water is probably negligible.

I also read a discussion about it where one analyzed the daily nutritional needs an individual has for salts and minerals. The conclusion from that discussion was that daily dietary needs for minerals substantially exceed what is supplied from the consumption of tap water. In fact, the tap water only supplied a mere fraction of daily dietary needs. The replacement of tap water with distilled water didn't make much of a difference on these dietary needs. So you will need to get those minerals from other dietary sources irregardless of what kind of water you drink daily.

Also people who live high up in the mountains probably get the water from precipitation. I think such water is considerably less saline than water from a well, and I have never heard about diseases and inflictions from a high altitude life style.

Btw, there is a Wim Hof Breathing app that is available for Android and iPhone I believe. It is pretty dope. Just don't use his breathing technique while driving or bathing :cry:

Question, if I get a distiller, can I make my own spirits if I was so inclined?
When you distill alcohol from a source, there are other nasty things in there that are inclined to follow with the distillation process. Good distillers use precise temperature regulation and the alcohol is distilled repeatedly. The multi-stage distillation process for alcohol is called "column distillation".

I think this is a case of worry for distilled water. If water contains phenols and other volatile chemicals, the distillation process will not remove them. So if you want to also remove these chemicals, then you will need a good carbon filter.

The pH value can vary from 0 to 14. Solutions with a pH between 0 and 7 are acidic, while those with a pH between 7 and 14 are basic.
I really doubt that pH make any significant difference. The stomach maintains a pH level of 1.5 - 3.5 to maintain digestion and the small intestines after that maintain a pH of about 6 - 7. Lower pH in water would simply mean that the stomach will need a little bit less acid for the digestion. But perhaps the digestion process is more complex than that. Water and other liquids are likely to pass the stomach into the intestines within a matter of minutes. Other compounds such as fat and proteins probably remain longer in the stomach while being broken down by the acids.
 
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Water and other liquids are likely to pass the stomach into the intestines within a matter of minutes. Other compounds such as fat and proteins probably remain longer in the stomach while being broken down by the acids.
I had to have Sang Whang explain it to me...because my brain tells me to drink well water not distilled water..distilled water goes in my iron and batteries.
 

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