Putin Looks to Make Equating Stalin, USSR to Hitler, Nazi Germany Illegal

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It's not a real big secret that Putin has a thing for Stalin and the Stalin era Soviet Union. After Stalin died the Soviet Union with through a period of destalinization. People were glad to be rid of Stalin. But now Putin and the others in Russia are raising Stalin back up as some kind of hero and have been for a while.

I don't think he wants to bring back Stalin era communism. More likely he wants to bring back the Stalin era authoritarianism. It's a dangerous road to go down. I don't think many Russians will put up with it.
 

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Stalin was a literal piece of shit. Most Russians are complete boomers when it comes to WW2. Russians were the most sadistic assholes there were in WW2. That's not to say our own American Military's actions were not absolutely retarded themselves, they were... absolutely pathetic and evil.

Russians were the bad guys, and Germans should have been allowed to take control. The Russians were being systematically wiped out by their own Jewish government during the Bolshevik takeover and all the way through the beginning years of Communism to include WW2. There is zero justification for supporting Stalin, or Anti-white Communist Russia.

Russia needed to be invaded and liberated from Jewish control, period. But No, Russia got helped by our American Jewish controlled government. So both white Russians, Americans, and Germans lost WW2 to the Jews.
Russians greeted the Germans as liberators initially. They wanted to be saved from Stalin and Jewish Bolshevism.
 

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I'm sure that if we sent you back in time, you could make all the illiterate Russian peasants really sorry for not resisting when Red Army units came to their villages to conscript their sons. As we all know, Russian peasants were secretly very redpilled and based and they were able to see through the Soviet propaganda. They knew that the Germans were benevolent liberators who didn't stand to profit in any way from the conquest of the Soviet Union. Unfortunately, they were just too cowardly to do the right thing, but I'm sure that modern Übermensch neo-Nazis could haven given them the courage to lay down their arms, even if it meant execution or service in a penal battalion.
Notice the very strong overlap in this thread between people who simultaneously say “of course Russian peasants should have sided with the Germans...you know Russia had Stalin and Jews and stuff” and “in the case of war between Russia, China and America White Americans should totally fight for America even though BLM is burning the bitch down and Jews run everything”.

That level non self awareness is like parody.
 

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Stalin was a literal piece of shit. Most Russians are complete boomers when it comes to WW2. Russians were the most sadistic assholes there were in WW2. That's not to say our own American Military's actions were not absolutely retarded themselves, they were... absolutely pathetic and evil.

Russians were the bad guys, and Germans should have been allowed to take control. The Russians were being systematically wiped out by their own Jewish government during the Bolshevik takeover and all the way through the beginning years of Communism to include WW2. There is zero justification for supporting Stalin, or Anti-white Communist Russia.

Russia needed to be invaded and liberated from Jewish control, period. But No, Russia got helped by our American Jewish controlled government. So both white Russians, Americans, and Germans lost WW2 to the Jews.
Perfect example of a cold take. The mass rapes by the red army are a fact but they were mostly the work of non White kebabs. How good was the reputation of non Whites in the Western allied armies? Who carpet bombed Germany back into the Stone Age? There is no justifying the rapes but if you want to tally who actually massacred the most German women and kids you might want to point your finger towards the Anglo American bomber command. Dresden was no less sadistic than the Red Army not keeping their kebabs under control.

You say the Russians were being wiped out by the communist by there are still plenty of Russians alive today. I dare say their future is much more viable at present than that of White western Euros and Americans. The early Bolshevik period was hell for White Russians but the fact that you can’t distinguish between Stalinism and Trotskyite Bolshevism shows you don’t know shit about the history of the USSR. Modern soy guzzling neo commies know more about it than you because they at least hate Stalin for sabotaging the revolution which has some grains of truth to it.

Also that you apparently think German NS were just going to hand western Russia back over to the natives and peacefully depart after I guess rebuilding everything for free shows how delusional you are. Hitler outright said the plan was to turn Western Russia into the new Eastern Germany. Smarter neo Nazis than you will at least have the integrity to admit that much.

If NS Germany had won the war yes the White races future in general would be secure most likely. That’s not even certain of course because there is always the chance that even they would have “reformed” into a cucked state over a few generations after Hitlers death due to weak leaders eventually emerging. We don’t know, what makes NS Germany so admirable and immaculate is precisely that it’s frozen in time at its height of based red pillness. Getting back to Russia though as far as Russians are concerned a world without Russian can go ahead and burn. So naturally they did resist when invaded and getting pissy at peasants for not siding with invaders during a fight to the death just makes you look like an ass.

Even Putin has said if Russia is ever in danger of being destroyed the nukes will fly because a world without Russia isn’t one he is interested in. That’s not some new mentality of his own making he is just re-stating how Russians that aren’t nihilistic assholes think and that is who the NS Germans went up against. There is no contradiction between saying NS Germany weren’t “bad guys” Hitler was right about the Jews, correcting the wrongs of WW1 was just, but it was also a mistake to try end Russian civilization to get at the Jews and push the border of Germany to the Urals.
 
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...trying to make Western Russia greater Germany was a big mistake and neo nazis who say that the Russians should have rolled over and allowed that are useless.
I agree.

For Whites to survive, we should form families of effective in-groups that are reluctant to hurt each other.

Hitler's policies toward the Slavs did not have that necessary reluctance to harm one's racial brothers. All of that is a dead end.
 

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Also, in many places the Nazis did terrible things to the population in Russia and eastern Europe
I heard some terrible things happened at Auschwitz and Treblinka in Poland millions of people were gassed and cremated (thousands/day). We know it is true because Stalin`s troops discovered this and exposed it to the whole world.
 

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I agree.

For Whites to survive, we should form families of effective in-groups that are reluctant to hurt each other.

Hitler's policies toward the Slavs did not have that necessary reluctance to harm one's racial brothers. All of that is a dead end.
Hitler, Himmler, Goebbels etc had the opinions common to proud Germans of their time. They just didn’t have much love for Slavs because few Germans did back than. The Germans really were ideal occupiers in Western Europe, not so much in the East. The German leadership never used terms like “ruthless” “unflinching” etc to describe how their troops should conduct the war in west where as they did in the East commonly.

Was the USSR anymore Jewish dominated under Stalin than the UK under Churchill? I don’t think so but even during the war Hitler expressed admiration for the UK and he put nowhere near the effort into ending the UK as he did the USSR and that cost him and Germany dearly. He even expressed hope the British Empire would survive and the old British empire was just as jewed up as the USSR.

Obviously this wasn’t only about getting at the jews, for cultural reasons common at the time the NS simply had a lesser opinion of Slavs compared to western Euros and decided to make greater Germany at the expense of the guys they didn’t have as high an opinion of. Anyway again I feel like have to qualify that I’m not counter signaling German NS, you are never going to catch me doing that. It’s just that these simplistic dumb takes on the war whether boomer “the Soviet’s were good strictly between 41-45” or neo nazi “Stalin was holocausting the Russians and Hitler was trying to save them, if Hitler had won the Russians wouldn’t be extinct today” and “Russians need to make victory day parades illegal and the put few remaining WW2 veterans on trial for war crimes so they can be a strong, confident, based country like Poland” are all bad cringey arguments.
 

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Why wouldn't someone defend the invasion of the Soviet Union by the Germans?

The Germans were trying to stop communism. Stopping Communism is a good thing last time I checked. Most of the Communists were Jews.
A strikingly obvious reason was that it didn't work
 

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In the former Soviet Union, the war is framed as a war of extermination and although one can debate what Hitler thought about Slavs, it's clear that he was planning to settle the lands west of the Urals with German farmer-soldiers and probably didn't plan on giving the natives much say. Even if Hitler loved the Slavs, the war did kill a lot of people and the scars are still there.

Speaking of Hitler, in Mein Kampf he goes into great detail about how in propaganda, you must not be objective or try to present an opponent as respectable. Even if you aren't completely right, it is usually preferable to pretend that you are, rather than let people start doubting the truth of your cause. Preserving the old narrative of the "Great Patriotic War" helps to preserve some nationalistic enthusiasm and support for more military spending, since you can pretend that the next Hitler is just around the corner. It also gives the government some legitimacy because they can say that despite how bad the economy is, at least they can stop invaders from exterminating the nation.

Letting people criticize Stalin or the war would probably lead to more self-criticism and nihilism amongst Russians.
Precisely why the jews make Churchill put to be a bad guy (even though it is factually correct) in England, or why the eternal myth of Axis villainy exists. The jews want Whites to be self-haters.
Up until WW1, every nation just fought pro patria and thought nothing of whether their country was wrong. After WW2... endless propaganda about how Axis bad, Allies good.
 

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Perfect example of a cold take. The mass rapes by the red army are a fact but they were mostly the work of non White kebabs. How good was the reputation of non Whites in the Western allied armies? Who carpet bombed Germany back into the Stone Age? There is no justifying the rapes but if you want to tally who actually massacred the most German women and kids you might want to point your finger towards the Anglo American bomber command. Dresden was no less sadistic than the Red Army not keeping their kebabs under control.

You say the Russians were being wiped out by the communist by there are still plenty of Russians alive today. I dare say their future is much more viable at present than that of White western Euros and Americans. The early Bolshevik period was hell for White Russians but the fact that you can’t distinguish between Stalinism and Trotskyite Bolshevism shows you don’t know shit about the history of the USSR. Modern soy guzzling neo commies know more about it than you because they at least hate Stalin for sabotaging the revolution which has some grains of truth to it.

Also that you apparently think German NS were just going to hand western Russia back over to the natives and peacefully depart after I guess rebuilding everything for free shows how delusional you are. Hitler outright said the plan was to turn Western Russia into the new Eastern Germany. Smarter neo Nazis than you will at least have the integrity to admit that much.

If NS Germany had won the war yes the White races future in general would be secure most likely. That’s not even certain of course because there is always the chance that even they would have “reformed” into a cucked state over a few generations after Hitlers death due to weak leaders eventually emerging. We don’t know, what makes NS Germany so admirable and immaculate is precisely that it’s frozen in time at its height of based red pillness. Getting back to Russia though as far as Russians are concerned a world without Russian can go ahead and burn. So naturally they did resist when invaded and getting pissy at peasants for not siding with invaders during a fight to the death just makes you look like an ass.

Even Putin has said if Russia is ever in danger of being destroyed the nukes will fly because a world without Russia isn’t one he is interested in. That’s not some new mentality of his own making he is just re-stating how Russians that aren’t nihilistic assholes think and that is who the NS Germans went up against. There is no contradiction between saying NS Germany weren’t “bad guys” Hitler was right about the Jews, correcting the wrongs of WW1 was just, but it was also a mistake to try end Russian civilization to get at the Jews and push the border of Germany to the Urals.
NS Germany had to fight USSR because USSR was within weeks of invading Germany. See Chief Culprit by Suvorov. In Mein Kampf, Hitler viewed western Russia as something like a German colony. A little cringy from a modern perspective but not genocidal. Something like, This place needs new management. In 100 years it will be a garden.
 

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NS Germany had to fight USSR because USSR was within weeks of invading Germany. See Chief Culprit by Suvorov.
I’m well aware of Suvorovs work...much like Yuri Bezmenov he is someone spammed constantly in our circles. I tend to be very, very skeptical of Soviet defectors to the US but I’m not that interested in whether or not Hitler attacked purely in self defense or whatever because whether true or not the war likely was inevitable.

My point is that the Germans didn’t behave in Russia the way they did in France or Holland which presumably they would have if they wanted to save the Russians from Stalin. The neo nazi argument that the Russians were wrong to resist and victory day needs to be canceled followed by Russia paying reparations to everyone they fought including current NATO members hinges on whether or not Hitler was in fact trying to save the Russians.
 
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My point is that the Germans didn’t behave in Russia the way they did in France or Holland which presumably they would have if they wanted to save the Russians from Stalin. The neo nazi argument that the Russians were wrong to resist and victory day needs to be canceled followed by Russia paying reparations to everyone they fought including current NATO members hinges on whether or not Hitler was in fact trying to save the Russians.
I have seen different things about the German occupation in the east, and haven't any firm conclusions. I thought the resistance was from (((partisans))) and that maybe helped by Soviet actions to either provoke or blame Germans and some say the German commander (Koch?) was overly harsh turned the population to some extent at least. Suggest what you think may be an unbiased source.

As far as reparations from Russia I have never heard that suggested. They were as much victims as all of us, more even. I'd like reparations from Jews and oh! if only Madagascar were still available.
 

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I'm sure that if we sent you back in time, you could make all the illiterate Russian peasants really sorry for not resisting when Red Army units came to their villages to conscript their sons. As we all know, Russian peasants were secretly very redpilled and based and they were able to see through the Soviet propaganda.
Anyone who knows Russian history would understand that I'd be treated like a member of the White Army. I'd be persecuted, put in prison, or most likely just executed. Millions of Russians of my same opinion were massacred during the Bolshevik Revolution and the remaining were subjugated under the rule of Sadistic Jews. Most of the surviving members of the White army had fled to western Europe. Unfortunately after WW2 many of those who fled were sent back to Russia, and executed by the retarded Jewish Communist who hate white people, and especially those who oppose their slave religion of Jewish Communism.

They knew that the Germans were benevolent liberators who didn't stand to profit in any way from the conquest of the Soviet Union.
Some of the Russians did view the Germans as liberators. This is a fact. Germany did stand to profit from the conquest of the Soviet Union, and America or the whole world in fact including the subjugated brainwashed Russians would have profited from the conquering of the Soviet Union.

Unfortunately, they were just too cowardly to do the right thing, but I'm sure that modern Übermensch neo-Nazis could haven given them the courage to lay down their arms, even if it meant execution or service in a penal battalion.
The only way to have prevented and stopped the Communist by going back in time was for America to fund the White Army instead of funding the Red Army during the Bolshevik Revolution. America, Britain, France, and Germany's financial Jews were responsible for giving massive amounts of aid to the Bolsheviks, and their completely unnatural fake and GAY Jewish Communist Revolution.

If the Anglo was aware of what was going on at the time, then the communist Revolution could have been stopped dead in its tracks. Fortunately for the Jews, they took over all Media sources being fast tracked in the late 1800's, and early 1900's.

Much like the Plandemic of the modern era, Citizens of the world had no way of knowing what was going on because they were being fed lies through the media, or simply not being told at all by the media.

The truth is much simpler actually, rule the media, and you win, period.
 

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I have seen different things about the German occupation in the east, and haven't any firm conclusions. I thought the resistance was from (((partisans))) and that maybe helped by Soviet actions to either provoke or blame Germans and some say the German commander (Koch?) was overly harsh turned the population to some extent at least. Suggest what you think may be an unbiased source.

As far as reparations from Russia I have never heard that suggested. They were as much victims as all of us, more even. I'd like reparations from Jews and oh! if only Madagascar were still available.
Well did Hitler order “scorched earth” during Germany’s withdrawals in Western Europe? Even in defeat the Germans were actually remarkably civilized in the West. In the west occupied populations never went hungry, in the east they always did. In the west German troops would be court marshaled if they so much as stole anything what so ever from the locals. In the East they stole anything they thought might come handy. In the West German troops obviously could not kick people out of their houses. In the east they did.
If partisans in the west killed German troops the Germans as a rule (with a few rare exceptions) didn’t even retaliate against nearby villages and towns. In the east they always did if they had the time and resources.

It was just a general different attitude that made the war more brutal in the east. Basically to argue that Germany’s war in the east was not at all about conquest doesn’t hold up to scrutiny. The way Germany treated the western occupation was how you treat people you are actually planning on liberating and being buddies with.

As for impartial sources there really aren’t any I know of any. David Glanzts work is the closest I’ve come to for lack of heavy bias but even he a bit pro Soviet imo..The Russian author Alexy Isaev is pretty fair but only his Stalingrad book is in English.
 

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Perfect example of a cold take. The mass rapes by the red army are a fact but they were mostly the work of non White kebabs. How good was the reputation of non Whites in the Western allied armies? Who carpet bombed Germany back into the Stone Age? There is no justifying the rapes but if you want to tally who actually massacred the most German women and kids you might want to point your finger towards the Anglo American bomber command. Dresden was no less sadistic than the Red Army not keeping their kebabs under control.
I know, that's exactly why I stated the American's actions were no less pathetic and completely retarded.

You say the Russians were being wiped out by the communist by there are still plenty of Russians alive today. I dare say their future is much more viable at present than that of White western Euros and Americans. The early Bolshevik period was hell for White Russians but the fact that you can’t distinguish between Stalinism and Trotskyite Bolshevism shows you don’t know shit about the history of the USSR. Modern soy guzzling neo commies know more about it than you because they at least hate Stalin for sabotaging the revolution which has some grains of truth to it.
Wrong, I know that Stalin was reversing some of the Trotskyite Bolshevism, and was most likely assassinated for it. However, it's more likely that this was a product of his inability to truly understand the Jewish plans. It's hard to describe the psychology of it, but Stalin was installed by the Jews as an easily controlled puppet. This puppet got out of control, because it couldn't recognize that the extreme unnatural heavy hand of the Jews was a part of the plan. The enslavement of the Russians, and the cutting off from the western world did in fact help save the white Russian population for a few decades by default.

Also that you apparently think German NS were just going to hand western Russia back over to the natives and peacefully depart after I guess rebuilding everything for free shows how delusional you are. Hitler outright said the plan was to turn Western Russia into the new Eastern Germany. Smarter neo Nazis than you will at least have the integrity to admit that much.
Oh please, I don't think that Germany would hand Russia back to the Natives, the Russians had already proven they were too brainwashed by Jewish Communism to rule themselves. It would NOT have been safe to give Russia back to those who worship Jewish communism after being beaten into worshipping Jewish communism after the Bolshevik Revolution.

If NS Germany had won the war yes the White races future in general would be secure most likely. That’s not even certain of course because there is always the chance that even they would have “reformed” into a cucked state over a few generations after Hitlers death due to weak leaders eventually emerging. We don’t know, what makes NS Germany so admirable and immaculate is precisely that it’s frozen in time at its height of based red pillness. Getting back to Russia though as far as Russians are concerned a world without Russian can go ahead and burn. So naturally they did resist when invaded and getting pissy at peasants for not siding with invaders during a fight to the death just makes you look like an ass.
There was no Russia after the Bolshevik Revolution. Only remnants and slaves of its former self. It was an entirely new Jewish Beast.

Even Putin has said if Russia is ever in danger of being destroyed the nukes will fly because a world without Russia isn’t one he is interested in. That’s not some new mentality of his own making he is just re-stating how Russians that aren’t nihilistic assholes think and that is who the NS Germans went up against. There is no contradiction between saying NS Germany weren’t “bad guys” Hitler was right about the Jews, correcting the wrongs of WW1 was just, but it was also a mistake to try end Russian civilization to get at the Jews and push the border of Germany to the Urals.
Russian civilization was almost destroyed completely during and right after the Jewish Bolshevik Revolution. The Bolshevik leaders made sure to destroy as much of the true old Russia as possible.

No matter though, the Anglo's who were under the control of Jews made sure to fund the slaves of Russia, and make sure the precious Jews in power were protected at all costs.
 

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Wrong, I know that Stalin was reversing some of the Trotskyite Bolshevism, and was most likely assassinated for it. However, it's more likely that this was a product of his inability to truly understand the Jewish plans. It's hard to describe the psychology of it, but Stalin was installed by the Jews as an easily controlled puppet. This puppet got out of control, because it couldn't recognize that the extreme unnatural heavy hand of the Jews was a part of the plan. The enslavement of the Russians, and the cutting off from the western world did in fact help save the white Russian population for a few decades by default.
Come on, most the Jews were solidly on Trotsky’s side not Stalins from the very start. The west was hostile to the USSR post Trotsky right up until the start of the war. People forget that Stalin was just as worried about the UK and US as he was Germany up until the war actually broke out. Stalin rose to power over the corpses of the old Bolsheviks many, many of which were Jews. Stalin was of course not woke to the JQ, at least he wasn’t until old age if ever. Stalins actions as far as banning abortion, homosexuality, modern art, anti Russian historical literature and re-opening church’s (which remained open after the war until Khrushchev started closing them again) all suggests he was way off script. And the damn funny thing is even BEFORE his feuds with Trotsky came into the open the old Bolsheviks were warning that Stalin wasn’t reliable.

Stalin was just an authoritarian who liked Marxist economics and social organization but had no use for the cultural angle, and that was being pointed out already in the late 20s. So no he wasn’t the jews man, Trotsky always was.

Oh please, I don't think that Germany would hand Russia back to the Natives, the Russians had already proven they were too retarded to rule themselves. It would NOT have been safe to give Russia back to those who worship Jewish communism after being beaten into worshipping Jewish communism after the Bolshevik Revolution.
👍👍 thanks for your honestly here. This is also why the Russians fought eventually despite the government. No matter how good utopia is you might as well fight if it’s going to be built on your bones. You have no case though when you whine about the peasants resisting.

There was no Russia after the Bolshevik Revolution. Only remnants and slaves of its former self. It was an entirely new Jewish Beast.
Lots of Russians than and now would disagree. I see plenty of Russia where I live.
 
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Anyone who knows Russian history would understand that I'd be treated like a member of the White Army. I'd be persecuted, put in prison, or most likely just executed. Millions of Russians of my same opinion were massacred during the Bolshevik Revolution and the remaining were subjugated under the rule of Sadistic Jews. Most of the surviving members of the White army had fled to western Europe. Unfortunately after WW2 many of those who fled were sent back to Russia, and executed by the retarded Jewish Communist who hate white people, and especially those who oppose their slave religion of Jewish Communism.

Some of the Russians did view the Germans as liberators. This is a fact. Germany did stand to profit from the conquest of the Soviet Union, and America or the whole world in fact including the subjugated brainwashed Russians would have profited from the conquering of the Soviet Union.

The only way to have prevented and stopped the Communist by going back in time was for America to fund the White Army instead of funding the Red Army during the Bolshevik Revolution. America, Britain, France, and Germany's financial Jews were responsible for giving massive amounts of aid to the Bolsheviks, and their completely unnatural fake and GAY Jewish Communist Revolution.

If the Anglo was aware of what was going on at the time, then the communist Revolution could have been stopped dead in its tracks. Fortunately for the Jews, they took over all Media sources being fast tracked in the late 1800's, and early 1900's.

Much like the Plandemic of the modern era, Citizens of the world had no way of knowing what was going on because they were being fed lies through the media, or simply not being told at all by the media.

The truth is much simpler actually, rule the media, and you win, period.
You know that I was sarcastic, right?

Some of the Russians did view the Germans as liberators. This is a fact.
This has become a popular meme in the West, but as far as I know, the support was limited to Ukrainians, Cossacks and the recently conquered Baltic people. What people don't know, or don't want to admit, is that support for the Germans went down as it became clear that they had no intention of giving the natives freedom.

Germany did stand to profit from the conquest of the Soviet Union, and America or the whole world in fact including the subjugated brainwashed Russians would have profited from the conquering of the Soviet Union.
Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf that his plan for the conquered Lebensraum was to populate it with the best Germans and support their rapid growth, so that they would increase the overall quality and number of Germans. The best case scenario for the Slavs would be that they could be allowed to keep their lands and die of old age, but we can't know if the Germans would have been so gentle. It's likely that Russians and other Slavs would gradually have been deported to a rump state in Siberia where they would be completely dependent on German aid. In any case, the heart of Russia would be lost and Russian civilization would have been crippled.

I'm really struggling to see how Russians would have benefitted from this. I think that the rest of the world would be better off if Germany had won, but that's not the point that you are making. I also understand why Russians would be offended at the notion of them having to sacrifice themselves for the sake of the white race, especially when much of the white race doesn't recognize them as white and wouldn't honor their sacrifice.
 

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Oh please, I don't think that Germany would hand Russia back to the Natives, the Russians had already proven they were too brainwashed by Jewish Communism to rule themselves. It would NOT have been safe to give Russia back to those who worship Jewish communism after being beaten into worshipping Jewish communism after the Bolshevik Revolution.
🤔 Remind us who let the revolutionaries into Russia to destroy them
 

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You know that I was sarcastic, right?
Yes, but I wanted to break it down.



This has become a popular meme in the West, but as far as I know, the support was limited to Ukrainians, Cossacks and the recently conquered Baltic people. What people don't know, or don't want to admit, is that support for the Germans went down as it became clear that they had no intention of giving the natives freedom.
What freedumbs do you speak of? You act like these natives are a separate none-white species.



[Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf that his plan for the conquered Lebensraum was to populate it with the best Germans and support their rapid growth, so that they would increase the overall quality and number of Germans. The best case scenario for the Slavs would be that they could be allowed to keep their lands and die of old age, but we can't know if the Germans would have been so gentle.
Given the Germans track record, if they were Jew free, they would treat the Slavs fairly.

It's likely that Russians and other Slavs would gradually have been deported to a rump state in Siberia where they would be completely dependent on German aid.
This sounds like Boomer propaganda. Oh no, those NAZI's are going to send us all to Siberia!!!

In any case, the heart of Russia would be lost and Russian civilization would have been crippled.
Do you hear the silence? Are crickets chirping? Russian Civilization and it's heart was ripped out and crushed during the Bolshevik Revolution.

I'm really struggling to see how Russians would have benefitted from this. I think that the rest of the world would be better off if Germany had won, but that's not the point that you are making.
The Russians would clearly have benefitted being freed from the Jews, and that is the point I'm making.

I also understand why Russians would be offended at the notion of them having to sacrifice themselves for the sake of the white race, especially when much of the white race doesn't recognize them as white and wouldn't honor their sacrifice.
The only people who say that are Jews, and boomers who continue believe their lies. The White Army General Major Count Cherep Spiridovich who was murdered by Jewish political assassins rips the boomer propaganda to shreds. The post-Bolshevik war propaganda that Slavs aren't white, is just that, propaganda. Spiridovich who made his points in the early 1900's clearly stated that Jews were a threat to the white race, and yes worldwide. At no point did he consider himself a separate race from the rest of Europe. This was standard for the White Russian Army.

It is most unfortunate that people have been fed lies by Jewish propaganda, and still believe it in this day and age.
 
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I mentioned this in another thread creepy hijacked but the revolution is hard to draw very concrete conclusions on. The circumstantial evidence seems to be that Trotsky was representing British and international Jewish interest and Lenin was working for the Germans. Lenin legitimately tried to surrender unconditionally to the Germans and Trotsky sabotaged him twice. My guess is the Brits/jews wanted the monarchy gone and a gay social democracy to replace it but stay in the war.

Once the Germans saw there wasn’t going to be a surrender they actually supplied a lot of help to the Whites with no strings attached...unlike the Americans and Brits who eventually intervened to secure the ports and Siberian railway. When the Brits initially showed up Trotsky literally told the Red Army to cooperate with them. Things only went south when Czech POWs in Russia revolted and started helping the Whites. One of the biggest misconceptions about the Whites is that they were all monarchist which isn’t the case. They were just anti Bolshevik and many were fighting on behalf of Kerenskys social democracy. The British and American governments (not international Jewry as whole) legitimately preferred Kerenskys Jewish social democracy to the Jewish Bolsheviks so they decided to let the Czechs, Whites Bolsheviks fight it out.

Trotsky was of course loyal foremost to international Jewry more than the Brits and international Jewry preferred the Bolsheviks so at the point the relationship between the red army and western allies went from cooperation to neutrality. The Western allies occasionally sold gear to the Whites under the condition they explicitly not attempt to restore the monarchy and that they would establish a social democracy. Naturally these terms did nothing to inspire normal Russians who didn’t care really if their overlords were Jewish Bolsheviks or Jewish social democrats like Kerensky. The Whites often complained that when the western allies did sell them weapons they had to wait so long for delivery after full payment that these exchanges were often not even useful in a timely manner.

The Americans and Brits that died in the intervention almost all died of disease, they did basically no fighting except the Japanese in the Far East who really did hate the Bolsheviks but the civil war was never going to be decided there. When the war ended the Americans and Brits stood by and did nothing for the Whites stranded in Siberia.

So anyway yeah the revolution and civil war are really complicated topics and it’s hard to find good sources in English. But basically it’s a myth that the western allies ever did much of anything to help the Whites. The Germans let Lenin in but once they realized he wasn’t actually the one running the Bolshevik party and there wouldn’t be a surrender they did liberally arm and help the Cossacks and Whites in Ukraine.
 

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So anyway yeah the revolution and civil war are really complicated topics and it’s hard to find good sources in English. But basically it’s a myth that the western allies ever did much of anything to help the Whites. The Germans let Lenin in but once they realized he wasn’t actually the one running the Bolshevik party and there wouldn’t be a surrender they did liberally arm and help the Cossacks and Whites in Ukraine.
American, British, and German (((Capitalist))) are all guilty of heavily funding the Bolsheviks, and blocking any media that might have turned the tide during the Bolshevik revolution. The Jews had the media on lock in Anglo countries since at least the late 1800's. Americans had no clue what was going on, and no clue their tax dollars were being sent to fund an anti-white Jewish Revolution in Russia.
 

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Every person who is proud of modern Europe absolutely owes a debt of gratitude to the Soviets as well as America, who fought so honorably to achieve communist victory in WW2.
Communism was the best thing to happen to Europe. Notice how the only White countries still opposing Globalism to some degree are ex-communist : Poland, Romania, etc.



Liberator meme? What the hell is a universal evil... glad that Communism isn't one.
Because instead of demanding all other countries recognize you as a liberator, even though you fucked some of them over, like a real chad, Putin should be more like Biden and apologize for being a White male and for Whites being mean to transsexuals in the 1800s.

Should Putin come out and say "we were the bad guys, millions of us died for no good reason, you should feel ashamed that your grandpa didn't let Nazis roll over him" ?

In the former Soviet Union, the war is framed as a war of extermination and although one can debate what Hitler thought about Slavs, it's clear that he was planning to settle the lands west of the Urals with German farmer-soldiers and probably didn't plan on giving the natives much say. Even if Hitler loved the Slavs, the war did kill a lot of people and the scars are still there.

Speaking of Hitler, in Mein Kampf he goes into great detail about how in propaganda, you must not be objective or try to present an opponent as respectable. Even if you aren't completely right, it is usually preferable to pretend that you are, rather than let people start doubting the truth of your cause. Preserving the old narrative of the "Great Patriotic War" helps to preserve some nationalistic enthusiasm and support for more military spending, since you can pretend that the next Hitler is just around the corner. It also gives the government some legitimacy because they can say that despite how bad the economy is, at least they can stop invaders from exterminating the nation.

Letting people criticize Stalin or the war would probably lead to more self-criticism and nihilism amongst Russians.
Wow, a person with a functioning brain and doesn't believe the one person being a thorn to the NWO is actually a Globalist shill ? What forum is this ?

Russian Political Scientist Andrei Piontkovsky, warns Putin is a Jewish Talmudist and is intertwined with Jewish doomsday sect Chabad Lubavitch, whose goal is to advance the coming of the Jewish Messiah:
You are full of shit. The reason I can say this confidently is because I speak Russian and have access to Russian-language material. The former Russian diplomat openly called out that the reason for the wars in the Middle East is that so Jews can build their third temple. Has any American diplomat mentioned this ? (the interview is in Russian) :


The only reason Putin meets with Chabad, is because most Jews in Russia are Chabad and Putin has meetings with various religious and ethnic minorities all the time because that's what you do when you live in a country as diverse as Russia. He always mentains that Russia is a primarily slavic country, but minorities should be treated well if they respect the majority. You don't do critical race theory, you openly have discussions with everyone to figure out deals.

But yes, let's build a retarded theory from a few out-of-context pics. Next, you will show me pictures of Putin shaking hands with Netanyahu at some meeting as proof he is controlled by Jews.

There is zero justification for supporting Stalin, or Anti-white Communist Russia.
Stalin was not anti-White. He was a pragmatist and Soviet propaganda posters looked like some Third Reich stuff.






Wow, much anti-Whiteness.

Stalin did kill people, but just because :
1) they were opposed to him
2) economics

Plenty of peasant Whites were raised in the Soviet Union and after the early Lenin years the Soviet Union inculcated its citizens with high arts and sports. Soviet educated people are legitimately well read and eloquent. The Soviet Union banned porn and horror films. The Soviet Union has ironically in some ways been the most pro-White institution because it prevented Western shit from flowing in. But then the 80s happened and we know how that went.
 

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American, British, and German (((Capitalist))) are all guilty of heavily funding the Bolsheviks, and blocking any media that might have turned the tide during the Bolshevik revolution. The Jews had the media on lock in Anglo countries since at least the late 1800's. Americans had no clue what was going on, and no clue their tax dollars were being sent to fund an anti-white Jewish Revolution in Russia.
I don’t know if it was done on purpose but the death knell to the Whites imo is that the only ones eligible for very meager, slow, expensive aid were the ones who swore not to fight for the monarchy. The ones who didn’t accept this were just starved of all means of fighting so their fighters flocked to the ones willing to accept the ridiculous western allies terms.

The problem with that is a Russian peasant didn’t give a fuck if his ruler was a Bolshevik or “democratic” kike. Than to top it all off this connection which in reality amounted to nothing helpful for the Whites allowed the Bolsheviks to convincingly portray the Whites as actually being the ones working for foreigners. This ensured the Whites were often as mistrusted as the Bolsheviks and the result was lots of tsarist officers ended up willingly working with the reds. The western allies sold the Whites just enough to not quite be very helpful and never when they really needed it, but the conditions of the relationship itself was a propaganda windfall for the reds who could portray the Whites as the real foreign agents while the reds were receiving all the shekels and aid they needed with no one being the wiser due to Jewish media hegemony.

Like I said I don’t know if that was done on purpose but I suspect it very well might have been.
 
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