Paganism is Atheism

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PAGANISM IS ATHEISM


Spencer was a pioneer:
Admitted atheist
But also professes paganism
Most importantly, hates Christians


In the past years, and especially in the summer of 2022, I’ve had many online debates with “pagans”. At one of the Red Ice TV social media avenues, in particular, I got into an extended debate – and it was at least ten against one, including the moderator (I believe Henrik Palmgren himself) – and I’ll say, in my opinion, that I thrashed the lot of them in the debate. They pulled out every name-calling trick “Christ Cuck”, “Universalist”, “Kike on a stick”, “Sand god”. They name-called me and, on the flip side, anointed themselves with self-congratulatory labels – “Sons of Warrior Gods”, “Children of the Sun”, etc. There was no praise “pagans” weren’t eager to bestow upon themselves. Their self-loving titles and honoraries would make a Chilean dictator blush.

The Red Ice moderator’s penultimate retort to me was, of course, BLOCK!

Okay, now, if you’re interested in this diatribe, then please pay close attention to the following, because if you don’t accept this, then we literally can’t have a discussion.

“Religion” is belief in a Creator of the universe, and most particularly a creator of life. That’s what “religion” means in all colloquial contexts – a belief in a supernatural, intelligent entity or entities which created the universe and mankind.

Religion is a belief in an intelligent Creator of the universe and life.

So I want to be upfront and preempt that dishonest “pagan” Talmudry right now: Religion is belief in a Creator of the universe and life. Full stop. Now, any word, including “religion” can be Talmudically manipulated so broadly that it can mean almost anything else. A skilled lawyer – usually Jewish – can make a career out of twisting and stretching word definitions. But I’m not playing that semantic game that “pagans” like Red Ice and others fall back on, so we need to define terms up front.

(I just realized I need to add an addendum to that definition: “God” refers to a supernatural, intelligent, active agent or agents who created the universe and life. “God” does not refer to folk heroes, characters from fables, popular fiction characters, or popular characters from legend and myth. Davy Crockett, Johnny Appleseed, Joan of Arc, Paul Bunyan, Odysseus, Babe Ruth, Robin Hood, King Arthur, Darth Vader….these are not “gods” as it relates to this discussion. These are popular historical or fictional characters. When people say “God” in a good faith discussion, they’re referring to a supernatural, intelligent, active agent or agents who created the universe and life. Don't try any of this, "There are lots of meanings of the word 'god'" kike bullshit.)

The "pagan" will always start a discourse by, of course, insulting Christianity, specifically white Christians. Their chief argument is that the Christian God is also the God of Jews and blacks, and therefore is fake. "A real God would only make white people!" And since the Christian God made all people (and, indeed, the whole universe) the Christian God must be fake.

I respond:

“Wait a second. Blacks and Jews exist. Therefore, God must have created them. So, since blacks and Jews exist, and since Paganism is a religion, then Pagan necessarily believe that Odin (or whichever Pagan character is trendy this week) your God is also the God of blacks and Jews.”

Again: To the pagan, Odin (or whoever) is the Creator. Blacks and Jews were created. Therefore, Odin is also the God of blacks and Jews.

Therefore, if Pagans were true believers, they’d actually be evangelizing Odin to blacks and Jews. They’d be seeking debates with Sam Harris, convincing him that Odin is their Creator, and Sam Harris should acknowledge that.

It’s at this point, always, that the “Pagan” gets very Talmudic, and begins using Jew Carl Sagan's old arguments. “No, no, no, they say. Odin isn’t a ‘god’ in the sense that he, ya now, actually exists and actually created the universe and life, he’s something-unconscious-something-Jungian-white-Aryan-myth-”

Whoa, whoa, whoa! “Myth”, the “pagan” calls their own ‘god’!

Ummmm….what’s another word for “myth”? Made up….superstition….fake.

It would be bizarre if the “pagans” intended to declare their own supposed deity as being a mere myth. Because, to every religion in the history of the world, calling one’s God or Gods a “myth” would be heresy. You’re calling your own supposed Creator fake and manmade. Do you hear Christians calling Jesus a “myth”? Do you hear Muslims calling Mohammad a “myth”?

So the "pagan" must have not meant to call Odin a "myth". He must have just been speaking in defensive haste. So, I remind the Pagan that myths are, ya know, fake. They’re made up. That’s the definition of the word.

But they don't retract it. They go all-in. Odin is indeed a "myth", they say.

Here, the “pagan” is sounding more and more like an “atheist”, and they know it. They quickly get more Jewish with semantic games. For the past hour, as we’ve been debating, when they were talking about their WARRIOR KILLER GOD THOR, they were merely talking about a character that makes them feel good and special, not an actual Creator of the universe. Any character can be a “god”, says the "pagan"! Batman, Dorothy and the Tin-Man, Mickey Mouse….all GODS!

So, “Paganism” is not literal belief, the “pagan” declares. Belief in a real God is for you Christcuck-Xtian-Sand God people!

“So, just to be clear,” I ask them, “you don’t believe that Odin is God.”

“Yes he is! He’s just not ‘God’ the way you Christcucks use the word ‘god’!”

“But....you don’t believe Thor is literally a conscious entity living amongst us right now.”

“No.”

“You don’t believe Odin, Zeus, Apollo, Cupid, Poseidon, or any of these other characters are literal Gods who are conscious Creators of life and the universe.”

“No.”

“So you’re just an atheist.”

This is when the “pagan” goes insane. They start declaring that Odin is some sort of outgrowth of “nature” and “trees” and something about "Jungian". And, “nature is our god”.

Now, to be clear, “Nature is our god” is the literal definition of atheism. This is called "methodological naturalism" in the philosophy of science. Nature is what created white men (and all men) according to SCIENCE! and random Cosmos is all that has ever been.

Again: "Nature is our god" (the creator of life and mankind) is literal scientific and atheist writ.

Richard Dawkins and Carl Sagan have gone over this extensively. Atheist progenitor Carl Sagan somewhat famously opened up his TV show ‘Cosmos’ with the line, “The Cosmos is all that is or was or ever will be.” Which is to say, nature and the random activities (only guided post hoc by natural selection) which created the universe and life are all which are permitted as theory in any scientific hypothesis. God is literally banned from science, a priori.

So, in saying that Odin is a “myth”, and that “nature” is their “god”, "pagans" are admitting – proudly – that they’re atheists. They're completely in sync with Carl Sagan, Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, and so on.

So, obviously, saying “nature is our god” is saying that you have no god and that you’re an atheist. The “Pagan” knows he’s been totally outed, and there’s no going back in the closet. They’ve been caught in the atheist bed – feces-covered banana and all.

But let’s play along with the ‘Pagans’ Talmudic twisting of the words “god” and “religion”. Let’s be ridiculous Jews like Carl Sagan and say that “nature” counts as a god and a religion.

“Okay, ‘Pagan’, nature is actually your god. But....wait a second, ‘Pagan’….nature, then, also created blacks and Jews. So your ‘god’ is also the ‘god’ of blacks and Jews. And, therefore, you Pagans, once again, have a universalist faith. Didn’t you say that Christianity is fake because it’s ‘universalist’?”


Pagans declare nature is their "god", which is the definition of atheism.
However, that makes their faith universalist, as nature also created blacks and Jews.


So, why this charade of “paganism”? Why didn’t they simply admit, “We’re atheists” from the start? Why this absurd act of pretending to believe in God, only to then mock their own supposed deity as a “myth” and declare they worship nature?

The only answer I can think of is vanity. This meme really sums it up:


The atheist boom of the late aughts and Obama years (publicly led by Bill Maher, Richard Dawkins, Bill Nye, Neil DeGrasse Tyson, and Sam Harris, among others) was really a powerful cultural force for over a decade. They really owned the early days of YouTube and Twitter. But by the time of the Great Meme Wars and Trump, atheists had been reduced to a punchline. “Neckbeards”. “Fedoras”. “Prense”. They went from being the dudes who got all the attention at Thanksgiving dinner to, suddenly, the only reply they could get in their social media feeds was:



Think about it: all the hugely popular atheist YouTubers – Thunderfoot, Amazing Atheist, etc. - all vanished just as “pagans” magically appeared. That’s not a coincidence. It’s because they’re the same people. They admit to believing the same things. First and foremost, there is no Creator of life and the universe. The cosmos and nature are all there ever has been, and all there ever will be. (To further prove this point, note also that, just like in their earlier incarnation as atheists, “Pagans” are obsessed with attacking only one religion: Christianity. They have only oblique insults against Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, or any other faith.)

At this point, they just go all-in on their atheism, start mocking you for believing in God, and then BLOCK you.

TLDR: Pagans readily admit they’re atheists upon prodding. They all admit they don’t believe that Thor, Apollo, Mars, Cupid, or any other pagan characters are real. They avoid being labeled atheists by Talmudically stretching the definition of “God” and “religion” so far that the words lose all coherence. They then fall back on SCIENCE! and say that “nature is god”. However, that also makes no sense because (a) saying nature created life is the literal definition of atheism, (b) nature-as-god makes their “faith” universalist, which is the same argument they used to claim that Christianity is fake.

However, there is another important layer to the atheist-to-pagan transition of the past decade. This is that the pagan-atheist (such as Red Ice TV) copying the nature-worshiping aesthetics of the New Age movement from the 1960s and 1970s onto their movement.

The late, great Michael Crichton called this appeal to nature the Eden myth (although he mostly just connected it to the environmental movement, it goes beyond that). The “Eden myth” is basically urbanites who profess to romanticize nature but who, hypocritically, live completely dependent upon modern machinery and technology. Crichton observed that almost all cultures have some version of the “Eden myth”. Here in North America, it is manifested in the “noble savage” vision of Native Americans (think ‘Dances with Wolves’ and ‘Avatar’). White Americans imagine these Mestizo primitives loving their life out just hunting buffalo, smoking weed, praying to weird gods, and living a life of blissful paradise….until their connection to nature was brutally severed as they were confronted with modern technology by the white man!

Very perceptibly, Crichton noted how the New Age (read: first American paganism) movement really took off in the 60s and 70s in California, which was the most densely populated and technologically advanced region of the entire planet. He noted that, as Los Angeleans were sitting in traffic jams for hours each day, they were easy pickings for gurus who promised them a life of blissful harmony with nature.

According to the Eden myth, the white man’s original sin is that he sought to conquer nature rather than submit to it. Real people worship nature. This is the pagan-atheist ethos. (“Nature is our god.”)

The atheist-pagans are trying to cut in on the grift of the New Age gurus and promise their audience a life of harmony with nature. We will not conquer nature like those Xtians, we will submit to it, say the pagan-atheists.

The Red Ice moderator, in particular (I believe it was Henrik), believed that the “We worship trees” claim made him look like a badass. “Christians burn bushes, we Pagans worship trees, Henrik sneered confidently.

I just leaned right into this one. I said, “Yeah, my grandfather was a logger and he and his brothers literally chopped down and killed thousands and thousands of trees to make the Canadian National Highway system. My grandpa killed all your gods, buddy. And you wouldn’t have any food, fuel, or computers or anything if men like him hadn’t brutally killed and murdered your ‘gods’, the trees.”


Evil Xtians murdering a pagan-atheist god.
If only they'd learned to submit to nature then pagans wouldn't have to be terrified of black men every day.


I got Banned then.
 
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"The "pagan" will always start a discourse by, of course, insulting Christianity, specifically white Christians."

This right there is BS and i will call you on it.
Hello, been here the whole time brother.

What you should be doing is zeroing in on Red Ices BS on not having open and free debate and their attacking instead of debating you. Thats some childish behavior on their part right their.
Perhaps i should go on Red Ice as a real Folk Faith and correct or expose them.
They would not see me coming.

Pagans are Atheists, when did this come about? They are fake larpers if that's the case.
The Gods are forces of the universe so the speak, with Wotan being the Chief so to speak. Heck the word God derives from Wotan or Goden(also Wotan).
I don't understand this infighting here. We are all fighting for the same thing our survival and advancement.

You want an honest open debate with a real Folk Faith and not some pretend Pagan larping, let me know.

I frankly don't know what the debate would be about other then me informing you on things you are obviously
unaware of about our original beliefs/views on existence and the nature of the universe.

No Folk Faith worships trees or thinks their Gods, LOL. Thats a strawman and any "Pagan" worshiping trees is completely ignorant of our past and how we related to them and most important why.
There is no paradise here, because that's not the point in being here.
Nature is not paradise, who ever said that. Nature is being cruel to be kind, so you improve and not become soft.
You don't improve in a physical paradise, you get weak and complacent.

Next question?
 
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I don't understand this infighting here.
Obviously, people get very prickly when it comes to religion. Beating someone over the head with piety and self-righteousness never converted anyone, and it really does set a poor example. The subtext of that attitude can be summed up as, "I am better than you!" And unfortunately, this is a trap that many here fall into.
 
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A lot of the pseudo trad neo pagans I’ve interacted with will claim that Thor or Odin or whoever created Whites and some other “god” that is for niggers created niggers. They think this is some kind of easy way to get out of the universalist trap but it just pushes the problem back. Obviously if every ethnic myth character is real than they aren’t actually Gods as in being the alpha and omega, beginning and end, sovereign and omnipotent over all etc. If there is a god for niggers that can do what Odin does but only for niggers that means Odin has competition. No pseudo trad neo-Pagan Viking LARPer would claim that Odin created the niggers “god” but that obviously implies Odin isn’t the Alpha and Omega. So if the niggers god came from somewhere else obviously Odin did as well. So where did they come from? Another god? Where did these gods come from and so and so forth. Why worship the creation and not the creator? The problem is simply pushed back and back.

Well maybe Odin and the nigger god are immortal and uncreated? Okay so that means there is an immortal divine kang shucking and jiving for eternity. Now niggerdom has a divine mandate and not even Odin is powerful enough to vanquish it because their creator is immortal and can’t be defeated for eternity. This would apply to the jews as well. The evil “gods” in this scheme are just as immortal and fixed in the universe as Odin. So great Odin isn’t universal but the gods of every other race sure as hell are permanent fixtures of the universe. Instead of one universal God we have a universe where every race has an immortal creator god. How diverse and inclusive. And also really marvel like.

Than you have the “well Odin and Thor are just like allegories for the weather and nature and the universe and all that”. In that case I see no reason to worship allegories. I guess it’s cool to keep up with ethnic allegories for the weather but as you point it in the OP this isn’t an actual religion in any way at all. Treating it as a some kind of based pro White version of nature worship can’t get around the fact that nature worship is gay, and also “nature” spawned jews and niggers.
 

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Nature is not paradise, who ever said that. Nature is being cruel to be kind, so you improve and not become soft.
You don't improve in a physical paradise, you get weak and complacent.
So Odin/the weather/the nature/the universe gave us niggers, jews, child trannies, etc so that we wouldn’t become complacent? Nature and Odin don’t like jews and niggers but had to make them anyway so that we would stay sharp and on guard against....jews and niggers? Sorry man but Neo pagan world views just don’t add up. Also in this scheme where nature/Odin/the universe is only making jews and niggers so that Whites stay sharp against jews and niggers you have to admit that you just universalized Odin. He is 1488 and pro White but he had to make niggers and jews and so that his Vikings wouldn’t become complacent in the eternal war against niggers and jews. You are still in the universal trap.

Honestly just straight basic bitch atheism is less cringe than this.
 

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"The "pagan" will always start a discourse by, of course, insulting Christianity, specifically white Christians."

This right there is BS and i will call you on it.
Hello, been here the whole time brother.

What you should be doing is zeroing in on Red Ices BS on not having open and free debate and their attacking instead of debating you. Thats some childish behavior on their part right their.
Perhaps i should go on Red Ice as a real Folk Faith and correct or expose them.
They would not see me coming.

Pagans are Atheists, when did this come about? They are fake larpers if that's the case.
The Gods are forces of the universe so the speak, with Wotan being the Chief so to speak. Heck the word God derives from Wotan or Goden(also Wotan).
I don't understand this infighting here. We are all fighting for the same thing our survival and advancement.

You want an honest open debate with a real Folk Faith and not some pretend Pagan larping, let me know.

I frankly don't know what the debate would be about other then me informing you on things you are obviously
unaware of about our original beliefs/views on existence and the nature of the universe.

No Folk Faith worships trees or thinks their Gods, LOL. Thats a strawman and any "Pagan" worshiping trees is completely ignorant of our past and how we related to them and most important why.
There is no paradise here, because that's not the point in being here.
Nature is not paradise, who ever said that. Nature is being cruel to be kind, so you improve and not become soft.
You don't improve in a physical paradise, you get weak and complacent.

Next question?
Again, it sounds like you're falling into the same error that the other pagan-atheists fell into (although I believe you're doing so in good faith, while they were, I believe, consciously manipulative). That error is that you're conflating folklore with religion.

Again, if somebody has some family or clan lore, that's good and I hope such folklore is passed on. But that's completely different from a literal belief in God. In our actual Creator and, in fact, the Creator of the universe.

(There's another aspect of Pagan-Atheism I didn't address because I knew the OP was long enough, but it's significant: and that is the actual providence and historical accuracy of the Norse mythology. In a nutshell....I am supremely skeptical of its accuracy and authenticity. I say this for many reasons, but probably most of all because I have been involved in researching historical endeavors in the past. And I've learned an iron-clad rule that virtually all historians embellish, and many of them outright lie. While I haven't researched the supposed Norse mythology specifically, my proverbial Spidey-sense for bullshit has always tingled like heck whenever I hear these accounts of it. I can also tell you, as a statement of empirical fact, that 100% of the artistic imagery associated with Norse mythology - the memes and paintings posted on 4Chan threads on the topic - are extremely contemporary. All of them postdate Christianity's introduction to Europe by hundreds of years. Yet these supposed paintings of Odin and Thor and so on are implied to be historical relics of supposed ancient beliefs. That is 100% false.)
 

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If Christianity advocated for the benefit of White people, you'd see Paganism disappear overnight.
Racial prosperity gospel is just as fake as individual prosperity gospel.

God's job isn't to service white people anymore than it is to service bullfrogs. A white man who says that God must execute his racial whims no different than a man who says God must execute his financial whins and make him win the lottery: These are not believers in God. They're just looking for somebody to tell them bullshit that soothes their ego. (I.e., "You're a WARRIOR-KILLER WOLF-DRAGON SON OF THOR and Odin says that you get to rule over the rest of the world!!!")
 

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Calling anything created "god" is idolatry.
Yeah, somebody wrote that nature worship (atheism) is just worshiping the creation instead of the Creator. By logical extension, if we can worship creations instead of their Creator, we should worship ourselves which, in fact, pagan-atheists do.

How would a parent like it if their children respected and hugged the goods parents purchased for them rather than the parents themselves? If the children ignored them and instead gave their household items hugs and kisses before bedtime every night? (Perhaps it might be weirdly cute at first, but soon the father's going to be saying, "Hey, where do you think all this shit came from?!?")
 

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Racial prosperity gospel is just as fake as individual prosperity gospel.

God's job isn't to service white people anymore than it is to service bullfrogs. A white man who says that God must execute his racial whims no different than a man who says God must execute his financial whins and make him win the lottery: These are not believers in God. They're just looking for somebody to tell them bullshit that soothes their ego. (I.e., "You're a WARRIOR-KILLER WOLF-DRAGON SON OF THOR and Odin says that you get to rule over the rest of the world!!!")
Fair point(s). That being said, Churchianity today forces Whites to "bless" everyone else but other White people. Case in point, look at how the Baptists completely turn their backs on Appalachian Whites. However, they have no problem with sending missionaries to Africa.
 

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The first millennia Church Father and Roman writer, the so-called "Christian Cicero", Lactantius, tutor to Equal to the Apostles Emperor Saint Constantine the Great's son, demolishes paganism in the first part of his book The Divine Institutes. And this is from a man who lived in a legitimately pagan society, where it was normal for everyday people to make offerings, and blood sacrifices, to their gods. He rips apart the pagans so much, and his arguments are so air tight, that you'd have to be either retarded, or just stubborn and prideful, to not agree with his conclusions. I recommend anyone who will have these discussions with modern pagans to carefully study Lactantius's book.


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Fair point(s). That being said, Churchianity today forces Whites to "bless" everyone else but other White people. Case in point, look at how the Baptists completely turn their backs on Appalachian Whites. However, they have no problem with sending missionaries to Africa.
I think most everybody here would agree that all powerful churches today are as pozzed as all other powerful institutions in the American Empire. There are zero exceptions in academia, Hollywood, Wall Street, government, and so on. So it's unsurprising that powerful churches are similarly corrupt. Churches are about God, but they're ultimately of men.
 

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The first millennia Church Father and Roman writer, the so-called "Christian Cicero", Lactantius, tutor to Equal to the Apostles Emperor Saint Constantine the Great's son, demolishes paganism in the first part of his book The Divine Institutes. And this is from a man who lived in a legitimately pagan society, where it was normal for everyday people to make offerings, and blood sacrifices, to their gods. He rips apart the pagans so much, and his arguments are so air tight, that you'd have to be either retarded, or just stubborn and prideful, to not agree with his conclusions. I recommend anyone who will have these discussions with modern pagans to carefully study Lactantius's book.


The Divine Institutes

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I just read a bit of it. It was good and thoughtful....but every sentence is a moutful, that's for sure!
 

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Atheism is the belief that there are no gods. (This implies the belief that we can know this, at least with reasonable confidence, which marks atheism off from religious agnosticism, which is the belief that we do not or cannot know anything about gods or the absence of gods.)

Paganism is polytheism. Polytheism is the belief that there are more gods than one: perhaps only two or a few, perhaps many.

This may sound pedantic, but I think it's a bad idea to use rhetoric to erase this simple and reasonable distinction.

I think that, rather than lumping things together, it's a better idea to separate these ideas out more. I have argued many times that there is not one atheism, rather there are several atheisms, with important differences. (For example, the atheism of a simple believer in a primitive tribal religion that does not have any gods is different from the materialist atheism of a dedicated Marxist-Leninist, and they have different social consequences.) I also think it is a good idea to distinguish between different polytheisms. Different polytheisms have different social consequences.

Fedora "laugh-out-loud paganism" may have social consequences that are about the same as fedora atheism. Traditional Hinduism, with temples, castes, and all, is different.
 

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I always observe things impartially, and I guess that also sucks. I think that Nietzsche said impartial people are bad lovers or sth, I dunno. Whatever.

But online, you have no other option but to be reasonable, or else to shitpost. Whichever fool told that you can be Nietzschean online with anonymous people needs to have his head examined.

Which brings me to the point - I like to look at these things impartially, like:

1. What is the statistical probability that paganism is going to be people's religion of choice in a post-'it's happening' scenario? I deem really low. Post-happpuningz scenario involves serious shit going on, including famine, mass death events, all-around environmental degradation and pollution, sickness, people with disability or chronic diseases simply dying, war, theft, injustice, cruelty. In other words, it involves things getting real, things getting very serious. In such circumstances, the chances of people adopting an online pagan cult are IMO extremely low. I think this is a reasonable observation.

2. Neo-Paganism lacks doctrine and institutions. The most successful attempts at establishing both have happened in Russia, most notable example being Ynglism, Peterburgian Vedism, but also Anastasianism. They had some kind of succession going on even as far as 'high priests' are concerned. Judge the results for yourself. Be that as it may, none of those two things have shown to guarantee favourable results where it actually matters - in the domain of myth, ritual, purification, perfection.

3. It's very difficult for New Paganism to be apolitical, in the superior sense, which is kind of ironic. On the other hand, unlike say, the Catholic Church, New Paganism has no doctrine on the political, or any doctrine of dealing with the political which can act so as to safeguard its dignity. Hence, New Paganism has no level, it's always in the mud, except with the few rare cases who know how to keep aloof.

A dialogue with pagans is needed, but a serious one. Fools who throw romanticist platitudes and MMORPG-tier gibberish at you should best be ignored.
 

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Racial prosperity gospel is just as fake as individual prosperity gospel.
A racial gospel is very different from an individual gospel. It is better founded. The individual is a passing shadow, and what was good for that individual in life ceases to matter. The race can endure for age after age, and what causes the race to wither or flourish has perennial importance.

A mandate for racial survival is nothing like the selfish whim of an individual who soon passes from the world.

The Old Testament is a sort of racial prosperity gospel for Jews. The will of God aligns with the genetic interests of the Jewish race. It is not a matter of one man being fortunate in his time, but of enduring genetic continuity, "begat" after "begat."

The Jews are thriving perpetually, and Christianity supports that. Post-Vatican II, the Catholic Church condemns any and every form of anti-Semitism.

Whites, with no religious-racial mandate to survive, are withering and being destroyed, and Christianity supports that withering and that destruction. The churches are antiwhite. They do not condemn antiwhitism the way they condemn anti-Semitism. The Christian racial gospel doesn't give Whites any protection, or even minimal recognition. The churches actively further White erasure by settling non-Whites in White land.

So a racial gospel is fine. Christianity has one. It protects the Jews, who choose to be our enemies, and our enemies are flourishing, but not us.

God's job isn't to service white people anymore than it is to service bullfrogs.
That's what Christianity says to Whites, but not to Jews. (And generally not to other races either.)

The problem is not that every race is marked for non-recognition, uncaring treatment and destruction, it's that we Whites are, as a race. There is not one standard for all; there is an antiwhite double standard.

This non-recognition for our race, the White race, is a serious, legitimate problem.

A white man who says that God must execute his racial whims no different than a man who says God must execute his financial whins and make him win the lottery: These are not believers in God. They're just looking for somebody to tell them bullshit that soothes their ego. (I.e., "You're a WARRIOR-KILLER WOLF-DRAGON SON OF THOR and Odin says that you get to rule over the rest of the world!!!")
You ridicule concern for our race, but the Jewish prophets are full of the most passionate concern for the Jews, and Christianity honors that.

I think it's reasonable to say that the religion of the Whites should support the Whites as much as the religion of the Jews supports the Jews.

Recognition for our race, support for our race, and the survival of our race should be non-negotiable.
 
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I would argue from the other side that atheism is actually a form of paganism. They claim no gods, but obviously feel people are living gods and worship them. I don't think we should go around changing words, atheism is the opposite of theism, not religion. Theism is to believe their is a/are god(s). It does not necessitate a creator for worship.

I am not promoting atheism or paganism.
 

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I think most everybody here would agree that all powerful churches today are as pozzed as all other powerful institutions in the American Empire. There are zero exceptions in academia, Hollywood, Wall Street, government, and so on. So it's unsurprising that powerful churches are similarly corrupt. Churches are about God, but they're ultimately of men.
Can't say I disagree. One thing that the Jews do well, is subversion. They have convinced "Conservative" White Protestants that it is in their best interests to behave as Marxists. Meaning, to be completely universal and having no racial/ethnic loyalty. The Atheists/Pagans within the Dissident Right do have a point about Marxism/Christianity being two sides of the same shekel.

Regarding racial Pagans, in many ways they are very similar to "Kitchen Witches" in that they make the rules up as they go.
 

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It’s shit everywhere you look.

Specifically in regards to Spencer, although it’s been clear for years that he was a bad actor, Spencer publicly renounced White Nationalism so he doesn’t claim to represent anyone but himself at this point.

That nobody really believes in Thor or a Yggdrisil Tree is pretty obvious though.
 

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Can't say I disagree. One thing that the Jews do well, is subversion.
They have an appetite for it, they have a genius for it, and their religion supports them in subverting non-Jews for the benefit of Jews.

Our religion doesn't care what we like, it doesn't care what we're good at, and it "supports" us in sacrificing all our interests for the benefit of non-Whites, especially the Jews, who, unlike us, are protected.

Which team was likely to win: the team that has always been coached to win, or the team that is coached to lose?

They have convinced "Conservative" White Protestants that it is in their best interests to behave as Marxists. Meaning, to be completely universal and having no racial/ethnic loyalty.
You got that right.

The Atheists/Pagans within the Dissident Right do have a point about Marxism/Christianity being two sides of the same shekel.
They have a point, but I'm not sure they're much better off.

Any religion that does not explicitly recognize and protect Whites will be susceptible to selling out Whites for the benefit of races that do demand recognition and protection, such as Jews.

Zeus cares nothing for the White race. That means that priests of Zeus, to the extent that they are zealous, faithful priests, also care nothing for the White race. That means those influenced by the priests of Zeus will have no inhibitions (or only diminished inhibitions) about selling out our race.

The god of the Jews fights like a wild ox for his people. Always has, always will. Zeus wouldn't hesitate to wipe out mankind. He doesn't care for us.

For Zeus, you can substitute Apollo, or Jupiter, or Thor, or Odin, etcetera.

Is there any hope in this direction? I don't see it.
 

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That nobody really believes in Thor or a Yggdrisil Tree is pretty obvious though.
And what difference would it make if they were believed to exist?

One lightning-throwing god that cares nothing for us is as good or bad as another.
 

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And what difference would it make if they were believed to exist?

One lightning-throwing god that cares nothing for us is as good or bad as another.
IMO, their universalism isn’t the main problem, but their lack of militancy and fanaticism. Of all the religions as they actually exist and are practiced by the majority of their adherents, ISLAM is the closest to my worldview.
 
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