Gentlemen, your thoughts - CPU cooling, AIO or Tower?

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So, this is my current build:
CASE -

CPU - AMD Ryen 5 2600 6-Core

CPU COOLER - https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16835200114?Item=N82E16835200114
The stock one isn't nearly good enough for gaming. I had to replace it pretty quick with this, so I may as well just give you the head start.

Motherboard - ROG STRIX B450F GAMING AM AMD

Power Supply: Seasonic FOCUS series SSR-550FM 550W 80 + Gold Power Supply


Storage: WD Blue 1TB Dekstop Hard Disk Drive

Graphics card: Oooooo. EVGA GeForce RTX 2060 XC BLACK GAMING, 6GB GDDR6, HDB Fan Graphics Card 06G-P4-2061-KR.


Memory: 16 gigs. G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600)

SSD storage
SAMSUNG 970 EVO M.2 2280 250GB PCIe Gen3. X4, NVMe 1.3 64L V-NAND 3-bit MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) MZ-V7E250BW



__________________________________Now, what I'm upgrading______________________

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 2700X 8-Core 3.7 GHz

GPU: GTX 1070, used, for 600$.

Motherboard: MSI MEG X570 UNIFY

And that's it. I don't need more memory (it's got 16 gigs, which is perfectly fine).


Main thing I'm iffy about is the used gfx card. Is that gonna be okay in the long run?
i hold out for the 3060ti to become available or get an amd 6800. you don't need to update the MB as it will take any ryzen cpu
 

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i hold out for the 3060ti to become available or get an amd 6800. you don't need to update the MB as it will take any ryzen cpu
right, but circumstances require i get a not-too-expensive upgrade and i'm giving my friend my old cpu and mobo/gpu

you're saying i should get an amd 6800?
 

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right, but circumstances require i get a not-too-expensive upgrade and i'm giving my friend my old cpu and mobo/gpu

you're saying i should get an amd 6800?
it depends on what you want. i think it outperforms the 3060ti and is only a little more expensive. i'd get the same MB as it is a good price right now and can handle 5000 series ryzen - i know as i have the same combo, but you need to update bios
 

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So, this is my current build:
CASE -

CPU - AMD Ryen 5 2600 6-Core

CPU COOLER - https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16835200114?Item=N82E16835200114
The stock one isn't nearly good enough for gaming. I had to replace it pretty quick with this, so I may as well just give you the head start.

Motherboard - ROG STRIX B450F GAMING AM AMD

Power Supply: Seasonic FOCUS series SSR-550FM 550W 80 + Gold Power Supply


Storage: WD Blue 1TB Dekstop Hard Disk Drive

Graphics card: Oooooo. EVGA GeForce RTX 2060 XC BLACK GAMING, 6GB GDDR6, HDB Fan Graphics Card 06G-P4-2061-KR.


Memory: 16 gigs. G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600)

SSD storage
SAMSUNG 970 EVO M.2 2280 250GB PCIe Gen3. X4, NVMe 1.3 64L V-NAND 3-bit MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) MZ-V7E250BW



__________________________________Now, what I'm upgrading______________________

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 2700X 8-Core 3.7 GHz

GPU: GTX 1070, used, for 600$.

Motherboard: MSI MEG X570 UNIFY

And that's it. I don't need more memory (it's got 16 gigs, which is perfectly fine).


Main thing I'm iffy about is the used gfx card. Is that gonna be okay in the long run?
keep your current motherboard, there is no need to upgrade it.
use the money to buy a ryzen 3600 or 5600x instead, b450 bioses are already available for those. going from a 2600x to a 2700x will do almost nothing for you.
600$ for a 1070 is WAY too much. try to look for a 3060ti or a 5700xt. or hold out a little until gpu availability improves.
if you play at 1080p the new cpu should give you a good fps bump.
 

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keep your current motherboard, there is no need to upgrade it.
use the money to buy a ryzen 3600 or 5600x instead, b450 bioses are already available for those. going from a 2600x to a 2700x will do almost nothing for you.
600$ for a 1070 is WAY too much. try to look for a 3060ti or a 5700xt. or hold out a little until gpu availability improves.
if you play at 1080p the new cpu should give you a good fps bump.
I'm getting a Ryzen 7 though? Shouldn't that be miles ahead?
 

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I'm getting a Ryzen 7 though? Shouldn't that be miles ahead?
nah, it's the same architecture only with 2 more cores. for gaming that is not going to do much.
you are way better off buying a 3600 or a 5600x.


with the 2700x you would gain max 10fps. with a 3600 you would gain 30fps and with a 5600x you would gain 70fps.
do not upgrade the motherboard and use that money to get a 5600x, it's the best choice.
if you do that you can even not upgrade your gpu for a while because at 1080p you essentially almost doubled your fps :)
not to mention how much faster the 5600x or 3600 are in workloads. you can have 1000tabs open shitposting at an incredible speed!!

graph is from hardware unboxed's 5600x review
 

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My current build.

Case

Fractal Define R5 with the plastic see through window. Yeah I know it's very 2013-2016 and I don't care. It also has noise reducing padding inside.

CPU

R7 3700x

RAM

G.Skill Trident Z RGB (for AMD) 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 3600

GPU

MSI RTX 2070 Super

PSU

EVGA SuperNOVA 750 G2 220-G2-0750-XR 80+ GOLD 750W Fully Modular EVGA ECO Mode Includes FREE Power On Self Tester Power Supply - Newegg.com

Storage

1 4TB Samsung SSD

1 2TB Samsung SSD

The case is from my 2016 build and so is the PSU. Everything else is new.
 

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snap, i already have the esports duo! great cooler. I also have an AIO system. I was just wondering what everyone recommends. From experience the esports tower is basically the same as the AIO (240) except at teh very top end where it gets about 5c warmer (75 vs 70ish) but i don't oc as i have a ryzen and the pbo is more efficient than having all the cores on something like 4.7ghz constantly. teh tower is also quieter than the AIO and takes up less room and is generally a lot less bother.
Well I recommend air cooling. Liquid cooling is a pain in the ass and expensive, especially if you get a leak. It could fuck up your hardware pretty bad.

Since you already have the Esports Duo you should just stick with that. If it's not being used on your current CPU then install. I don't know much about the AIO's. Just that they can leak and they are expensive.

From what I understand of what I have heard about the Ryzen PBO is that it kind of does act like an auto-overclock. Though the Ryzen CPU's also have an auto-overclock function. But you can't get more more out of the 3700x than you can with PBO. What you get with PBO is basically all you can get from what I understand. So I just leave it at that.
 

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my current setup:


i know, i'd be jealous too :cool:
 
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Sometimes i think all that liquid cooling shit is more about looks than anything. Like LEDs on memory sticks. It's not worth an extra 10% performance to need all that extra cost and maintenance, imo.
 

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The Noctua CPU coolers are only around 2-4 degrees hotter than most AIO's and they're actually quieter because they don't have any pump whine. Also liquid in an AIO saturates into the plastic tubing after 5+ years and the whole thing has to be replaced because most can't be refilled.
 

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No way would I buy a used 1070 for $600. That's like the worst deal ever, for the buyer, lol. Used GPUs also tend to be a terrible idea, because of abuse and no warranty.

With the way GPU AND CPU availability is right now, you might be better off keeping your rig for a while. Your 2060 (non-super) is looking pretty sweet at the moment.

AMD and ASUS have given you a gift with CPU upgrade paths on B450. I think you can flash your bios and recognize Ryzen 5000 series. But I think your board recognizes Ryzen 3000 series out-of-the-box.

Your easy upgrade is to the 8-core 3700x. It even comes with a great (well . . . good) CPU cooler. And it's in stock on Newegg.

You need 16GB more RAM, bringing your total to 32GB. That's such an easy and relatively cheap upgrade. You'll extend the life of that undersized NVME drive.

Bottom line: This is a terrible time to build or majorly upgrade a rig. I could almost spec out an Intel rig with only iGPU for the value of what you're looking to spend while helping your friend. And it would be in stock.

Anyway, my opinion only.
 

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No way would I buy a used 1070 for $600. That's like the worst deal ever, for the buyer, lol. Used GPUs also tend to be a terrible idea, because of abuse and no warranty.

With the way GPU AND CPU availability is right now, you might be better off keeping your rig for a while. Your 2060 (non-super) is looking pretty sweet at the moment.

AMD and ASUS have given you a gift with CPU upgrade paths on B450. I think you can flash your bios and recognize Ryzen 5000 series. But I think your board recognizes Ryzen 3000 series out-of-the-box.

Your easy upgrade is to the 8-core 3700x. It even comes with a great (well . . . good) CPU cooler. And it's in stock on Newegg.

You need 16GB more RAM, bringing your total to 32GB. That's such an easy and relatively cheap upgrade. You'll extend the life of that undersized NVME drive.

Bottom line: This is a terrible time to build or majorly upgrade a rig. I could almost spec out an Intel rig with only iGPU for the value of what you're looking to spend while helping your friend. And it would be in stock.

Anyway, my opinion only.
Yeah $600 for a 1070 is a very bad deal. Maybe $200 or so. You can sell a R9 390 for $130 and that's an older card from around 2015-2016. I paid $400 for my 1070 Ti back in 2018.
 

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Sometimes i think all that liquid cooling shit is more about looks than anything. Like LEDs on memory sticks. It's not worth an extra 10% performance to need all that extra cost and maintenance, imo.
it's an enthusiast thing for sure. most people also do it for silent operation.
if you dont do those flashy pastel fluids and know what you are doing it is pretty much the same maintenance as air cooling. you blow out the dust and you are done.
 

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So, this is my current build:
CASE -

CPU - AMD Ryen 5 2600 6-Core

CPU COOLER - https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16835200114?Item=N82E16835200114
The stock one isn't nearly good enough for gaming. I had to replace it pretty quick with this, so I may as well just give you the head start.

Motherboard - ROG STRIX B450F GAMING AM AMD

Power Supply: Seasonic FOCUS series SSR-550FM 550W 80 + Gold Power Supply


Storage: WD Blue 1TB Dekstop Hard Disk Drive

Graphics card: Oooooo. EVGA GeForce RTX 2060 XC BLACK GAMING, 6GB GDDR6, HDB Fan Graphics Card 06G-P4-2061-KR.


Memory: 16 gigs. G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600)

SSD storage
SAMSUNG 970 EVO M.2 2280 250GB PCIe Gen3. X4, NVMe 1.3 64L V-NAND 3-bit MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) MZ-V7E250BW



__________________________________Now, what I'm upgrading______________________

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 2700X 8-Core 3.7 GHz

GPU: GTX 1070, used, for 600$.

Motherboard: MSI MEG X570 UNIFY

And that's it. I don't need more memory (it's got 16 gigs, which is perfectly fine).


Main thing I'm iffy about is the used gfx card. Is that gonna be okay in the long run?
Ummm... RTX 2060 is better than GTX 1070 in every way...
 

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I have tower and AIO in separate builds.

The AIO I only used because that one is mini-ITX in a shit case- Cooler Master Elite 130. The CPU/motherboard is directly under a full-size PSU with little room above, and even a slim aluminum cooler with fan wouldn't fit. I had to bend the tubes more so than desirable, but haven't had problems with it yet.

I replaced the two fans on the Corsair H80i v2 AIO with two Noctua fans, so noise isn't an issue, can barely hear the pump.

The other uses Noctua NH-U12S chromax.Black tower. I used a AMD Wraith Spire w/ copper core/vapor chamber previously and it was cheap and fine for a Ryzen 3600, though the fan was noisier at load.

I would always use a decent tower cooler unless space is an issue. Cheaper and easier to deal with. You won't burn your CPU up if it (the fans) stop working either- provided some case airflow- whereas with an AIO pump failure :eek:.
 
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