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Starting a discussion about the supposed theory that Jews secretly control China. Trying to understand if people really believe this, or if it is just random confused people.
This is from this thread:
In China, you are censored if you: Talk against the government aggressively, and in particular if you attack Xi Jinping or the communist party directly. In America, you are censored if you: Talk about Jews Point out that Jews are the single wealthiest group of people in the world Research...
There aren't any serious people saying that. Literally, trying to come up with a "China is controlled by the Jews" theory is on par with flat earth. It's not only that there is no evidence, or that it sounds silly, it's also that they are necessarily claiming that the entirety of geopolitics is a gigantic staged hoax which they can't explain the purpose of.Serious question for all the China haters that are on the forum. The people who say “China is controlled by Jews just like America and the rest of the whole world” “China is communist and wants to destroy America in partnership with the Jews”.
That is to say:
The whole conflict between the West and China is a hoax, if both are controlled by Jews. Okay, that's already in the realm of schizophrenia. But then: what is the purpose of this? If the Jews already secretly control China, then why are we having a conflict? If Jews already control the whole world, then what is the purpose of having a conflict? Wouldn't we already have the completed New World Order?
I'm sure someone who is willing to say "Jews secretly control China somehow" in the first place is willing to come up with some weird explanation as to why conflict still exists if the Jews already have total control. But that will just keep leading to more and more questions.
This is why you have to go from the facts, rather than form a theory first and then try find facts to back it up.
Basically, what's happening is that the mainstream of the right-wing is promoting this Chinese gibberish to distract from the Jews, and from real problems that we're dealing with in America (which are caused by Jews). Some people have come over to the far right, and found out facts that they can't forget, but remain normies at heart. They are then unable to mesh the truth of the Jewish control of our society with the fact that they want to be a part of the mainstream, and basically agree with normies.
So they say "well it must be that the Jews ALSO control China!"
I don't usually see people on this forum promoting this. But I did see Ed (who is a lost normie as I described, literally I've seen this guy promote feminism), post the worst comment in this forum's history yesterday:
You first note that he's completely unhinged.The Chinese are the fucking Jews. It's a fucking Communist country. They had a hand in stealing the election. They are most likely supporting BLM and pushing all this nigger shit just like the Soviets used Communist niggers against Rhodesia so they could gain support in Africa.
It's like you fucking Commie Chink worshippers are fucking retarded or something.
It's a fucking Communist country. They are ruled by fucking Jews.
Even the fucking Muzzies understand this they are low IQ retards.
Jewish Faces in Chinese Government - Radio Islam (islam-radio.net)
You then note that he's provided one single link, framing it as "even the Moslems know..."
It's quite a thing to use people you think are stupid as a source of information in this context, where we're dealing with geopolitical facts. It seems when you're making such an extraordinary claim, that is so far outside of the normal understanding of reality in both the right wing and the mainstream, that you would want to present facts. Short of facts, you'd at least want a legitimate analysis, instead of "dumb people believe this, therefore it must be true."
So why did he post that link?
Well, because that's the link that comes up when you type "jews control the chinese government" into any search engine other than Google (Google blocks Radio Islam).
You can find in the top 3-4 search results on DuckDuckGo, Yahoo!, etc.
Based on what I've seen from Ed, he is probably using Bing because it comes as the default when you open a new computer with Internet Explorer installed. Boomers also end up using Bing because various browser hijackers that they download when they randomly download things on the internet force a redirect to Bing. But maybe he uses Yahoo! because that's where his email is.
Point being: This is a person who decided on a belief that comforts him, then did a browser search for that thing.
I doubt that he even read that link. It's not an essay explaining the theory of secret Jewish control of China. It's just some pictures of various Jewish communists and bankers who have worked in China, accompanied by copy and pasted bits from Wikipedia explaining who they are.
I have seen people post that link before, but I have yet to see an essay explaining how "Sydney Rittenberg was a translator for Mao Zedong" means that "Jews secretly control the Chinese Communist Party." Rittenberg was imprisoned (in solitary confinement) by the CCP for nearly a decade, accused of being an American spy. We're talking about events that happened sixty years ago. Apparently, the claim is that Rittenberg, either before or after being imprisoned as a spy by Mao, "took control of the communist party" and that he (now over 100) or maybe his descendants still control the country today.
That link comes up constantly with these people, because it is basically the only random conspiracy theory blog that you can find with a headline talking about secret Jewish control of China. This isn't something that the kind of people who actually make websites believe. It's a silly thing that weak people believe because it simplifies their understanding of the world.
This is to say: it isn't a real belief.
Obviously, there are no facts to back up this assertion, but more than that, people who post this on forums have a difficult time even explaining what they are talking about. Even if you accept the premise that you can formulate an acceptable theory which encompasses the entirety of modern geopolitics without any facts at all, it is confusing where you even start. As I said, they talk a lot about Rittenberg, because he's a name that comes up when you search "China Jews." But they don't actually know who he is, so they can't engage you on "how did he take over China?"
This is baby stuff. It's actually insulting to me personally that someone would read my website and then say something like this. But again: this is emotional. These people want to feel connected to the mainstream of the American right-wing, and the American right-wing is currently obsessed with China.
I don't understand the whole anti-China thing in general, other than just on the basic level of "those people look different than you and they are bad." But it seems to be very easy to get people to hate the Chinese. I never even met a Chinese person growing up, other than seeing them at the Chinese restaurant. Chinese figures we have in our culture (Jackie Chan, Bruce Lee) are well liked.
It's exhausting, frankly. I'm so sick of being accused of defending the Chinese. I have never defended the Chinese, and I do not support defending the Chinese. I don't think people should defend the Chinese. Chinese people eat dogs and they spit in elevators, they are loud and they flick cigarette butts everywhere, including in nice flower beds. I don't see anything to defend.
But this situation of blaming China for what is going on in America just makes absolutely zero sense. It is a very low level distraction to target the lowest common denominator, getting them to stop looking at the people who destroyed our country and look all the way over to the other side of the planet at some silly bunch of goofballs.
But then: like Ed does above, if you say "actually, China isn't really the problem here," they accuse you of being a Chinese shill, of loving communism, etc. etc. etc.
Imagine if Fox News and Breitbart were saying that the problems we are dealing with in America were caused by the Jangaweed of the Sudan and then every time you pointed out that the Sudan isn't really what we need to be worrying about right now you were accused of being a nigger-lover. That's what I feel like.
But yeah, as far as I've seen, Ed is the only one promoting this now. There was another guy who promoted it, but he got buttmad and left (for the second time) a few months ago.
But I've now wasted how many minutes of my life typing this up as a defense against the most vicious sort of retard, so I hope that if people do promote this bullshit in the future, they will be linked to this thread.
Here's the pitch, to any future person being linked to this thread:
Please explain the theory of how Jews secretly control China, and elaborate on the implications of that theory on geopolitics.
EDIT: Cleaned up some slop, because this thread is apparently very important business.