Fags "born that way" or made?

Angryguy

Same angryguy new look
Old World Underground
🐸 Citizen of the Internet 🐸
⏰☕🚬🚽🚿🪒🏋🏻🥓💻
Dont know why the LgBt community has to be so "binary "on this. And yes that pun was on purpose. I believe both.
 

Jebal_Dokundy

Last Surviving Shitlord of Kundabuktu
Old World Underground
🐸 Citizen of the Internet 🐸
⏰☕🚬🚽🚿🪒🏋🏻
I don't believe in ,,born that way'' theory either. It's down to abuse in the childhood, and also that kids have not much of scruples in many respects and are naturally curious. I know one former intel officer, now boomer, who after leaving army went to be manager of amusement building, frequented by most depraved fags of all the Prague. One day he have seen fag sucking off boy of 12 or 13 of age, basically publicly in one hall up the building and strangely enough, boy wasn't protesting at all. Explanation? Well it tickles funny, isn't it, when someone sucks your mojo. Other thing is there are almost always money involved and kids like to spend like everyone else. Heard stories of underage guys sucking cocks for money at Main train station of ours, it went completely unchecked in early 90's, when jewish democracy was heavily promoted here, after the fall of Curtain. So to my best opinion this is how fags are made, first it tickles and then it even brings dough, when one is ,,handy''.
 

BeTheBee

Well-known member
Cave Beast
🐸 Citizen of the Internet 🐸
⏰☕🚬🚽🚿🪒
It’s crazy.
The left thinks nurture > nature. Except for when it comes to lgbtbbqwtf+size
 

GoodOlboY

In remembrance of American Martyr, Ashli Babbit.
👑
🐸 Citizen of the Internet 🐸
🎩
⏰☕🚬🚽🚿🪒🏋🏻🥓💻⛪️
Bad idea. Then you have men hiding their reality so as to not be killed, pretending to be something they are not and passing those traits down to the next generation - most damaging to the gene pool if they are high estrogen and low t. Otherwise they would have removed themselves from the gene pool and left everyone else alone. Of course, if pedophilia is part of their urge that cannot be tolerated - that poisons others who may have otherwise turned out differently.

Another disadvantage to homosexuality being punished by death is then gay men, pretending to be straight men, live double lives and carry out their acts in secret In a way that brings diseases over to the hetero community.

Also, you then have the environment for a danger-thrill fetish, making a taboo-kink much like there has been.

Best solution is don't ask don't tell, except no pedo shit. Had society been this way - and not been full of all the atrazine "it's turning the freaking frogs gay" and other chemicals - it is arguable that homosexuality would have nearly lived itself out of existence by now. Think about it: there would have been no "rebellious" kink drawing people to homosexuality; there would have been no guilted push to allow LGBT culture mainstreaming because of poor Christopher Street blah blah blah, which has surely brought millions into the gay culture who would not have been there otherwise. Likewise, no pressure to marry and have children would mean copies of these people would not be spawned and entering the world. Gay would be on the decline.
This sounds like a libertarian argument. "Don't regulate it. The free market will fix itself."

This is not true in any case. What you are advocating for is what we have now. Pedophilia and homosexuality are closely intertwined, and now that it is not regulated our highest ranks are infested with both while the lower ones parade in our streets.
 

Anonymous

Guest
I don't see how studying twins could prove or disprove something that the etiology of isn't even known.
all I am saying is that twin studies don't support the idea that it is a case where they are 'born that way', or if I have to be autistic about it, that genetics don't inform sexual preference to the extent that it is predictive, given that there are enough examples of twins who do not share sexual orientation.

I think it was Sigmund Freud that had an inclination to sexualize everything with his Oidipus complex and all. Just because you have a narcissistic mother and absent father, it doesn't mean that you would become homosexual. I believe that many men growing up in such family situations still grow up as hetero.
I don't think that those environments absolutely predict homosexual behavior. I just think that they encourage the likelihood of it. Many in this thread are saying that being sexually abused makes you gay but I don't agree that's necessarily the case. I think that it's far more likely that so-called 'homosexuality' is rather a symptom of wider behavioral and psychological problems rather than a thing in and of itself.

I don't think it is entirely true. Studies of twins separated at birth has shown that if one twin is gay, then the likelihood that the other twin is also gay increases. Not by 100% but significantly.
I think from what I've read the studies there is enough of a disconcordance between monozygotic twins and so-called 'homosexual' activity to make one skeptical of the idea that it's genetics that are responsible.

The genetic/gestational cause is also a sketchy because it doesn't explain the prevalence of homosexuality. Being a faggot reduces reproductive fitness in the absolute sense - even participation in gay activity for some short period of time is harmful to it.

If it was caused gestationally, surely you would see other deformity? Are Foetal Alcohol Syndrome kids more likely to be faggots?

Greg Cochran sums up the problem with the genetic/gestational thing better. His theory (along with some others) is that it is pathogenetic, probably from some Toxoplasma. Personally, I wouldn't go so far as to say there's a gay germ or gay disease that's exclusively responsible for the preponderance of faggotry. I think it's for the most part learned behavior, probably linked to some mix of hypersexuality (which may be pathogenetic) and the abusive infant environment I've described earlier.

The recent article in the Quarterly Review of Biology has some good points. It does not argue that homosexuality is adaptive, which would be silly. It does not argue for Lamarckian epigenetics, which would also be silly. I should also point out that they’ve given up on sexually antagonistic selection, since the GWAS surveys pretty much rule it out.

They note that variations in hormonal levels before birth don’t seem to cause much trouble, and conclude that humans adjust to those levels – homeostasis, basically. They suggest that this is implemented by epigenetic changes, and that sometimes those epigenetic changes are not properly reset in the next generation. Leaky epigenetics.

Of course, this hardly ever results in funny-looking genitalia – you’d think it would, but then natural selection has made that kind of error rare. Of course, it should have made epigenetic leakage that cause low-fitness behaviors like homosexuality equally rare. Which is the problem with this hypothesis: it rests on the assumption that natural selection in humans has been on a mysterious, all-expenses-paid vacation when it comes to mating. They suggest that maybe sexual behavior have changed since the human-chimp split and therefore there just hasn’t been enough time to thoroughly canalize sexual development in humans.

I guarantee that speech is newer than that. What fraction of people are unable to talk? Gee, being mute is far less frequent than homosexuality, even though speech sure seems more complicated. Why is speechlessness so rare? Speech is damn useful, and natural selection has made failure rare. But it’s not more useful than reproduction its own self.

Rice suggested sexually antagonistic genes, earlier. What fraction of known, common, fitness-reducing syndromes are known to be caused by that? Gee, none of them. What fraction are known to caused by leaky epigenetics? None.

What fraction are known to be caused by infectious organisms? Practically all of them. So you know it can’t be that, right? Life is really a vast murder mystery – it’s always the one you least suspect.

The Emmdees say that when you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras. When explaining homosexuality, people think of pterodactyls and unicorns.
@Louisa_Reese

Here is a study on twins with divergent 'sexuality'. The homosexual males biologically respond to homosexual stimuli, the females responded equally to both 'hetero' and 'homo' stimuli. Many studies confirm this. Lesbianism appears to be completely contrived, which would make sense given that female sex drive is geared towards a different objective than male sex drive. The female sex drive is to find the fittest partner, it is highly selective. The male sex drive is to spread as much seed as quickly as possible, it is far less picky. Females make far more use of sex socially, males mainly seek sex for the sake of it. I don't take lesbianism seriously because it's a sham - most so-called 'lesbians' are just attention whores or sociopaths with an inferiority complex.

The abstract:

Genetically identical twins can differ in their self-reported sexual orientations. However, whether the twins’ subjective reports reflect valid differences in their sexual orientations is unknown. Measures of sexual orientation, which are free of the limitations of self-report, include genital arousal and pupil dilation while viewing sexual stimuli depicting men or women. We examined these responses in 6 male twin pairs and 9 female twin pairs who reported discordant sexual orientations. Across measures, heterosexual male twins responded more strongly to women than to men. Their homosexual co-twins showed an opposite pattern. Heterosexual female twins responded equally to both sexes, whereas their homosexual co-twins responded somewhat more to women than men. These differences within pairs were similar to differences between unrelated heterosexual and homosexual males and females. Our study provides physiological evidence confirming twins’ discordant sexual orientations, thereby supporting the importance of the non-shared environment for the development of sexual orientation and sexual arousal.
 
Last edited by a moderator:

Pandadude12345

South Carolinian: "Pandadude12345" America First!
Old World Underground
🐸 Citizen of the Internet 🐸
⏰☕🚬🚽🚿🪒🏋🏻🥓💻
Pandadude12345
I say, "both". This would explain the difference between "tops" and "bottoms".

Some people are wired wrong from birth. Examples are some serial killers and incestuous people: you're not supposed to get aroused by dismembering your sexual conquest and you're supposed to be naturally sexually repulsed by members of your immediate family, respectively.

If indeed some fags are simply wired wrong from birth, does that excuse their behavior? Of course not. It no more excuses their behavior than excusing the BTK killer's behavior because he was also wired wrong. Fags are defective, but for differing etiological reasons.

Some might argue that these aberrant behaviors are the result of psychological schisms resulting from abuse, but plenty of people tolerate childhood abuse and don't become psychotic killers or want to fuck their sister or mother. I say that these people respond to the abuse in a different way.

Some feminine -looking fags were probably treated differently during their formative years and attracted the attention of predatory fags (redundant, I know), but plenty of feminine - looking men are straight and happily bag lots of gash from the female attention that they get.

Conversely, macho -looking guys can become notorious fags as evidenced by looking at any "pride" event. Also, plenty of supposedly staright men with families will "come out" at some point and destroy their family unity and happiness because their craving for dick is so strong.

Also, some fags are obviously "created" by fags (since this is the only way that they can reproduce) who sexually abuse boys during their formative years causing psychological damage to the boys.

Therefore I assert that "tops" are the ones wired wrong from birth and "bottoms" are the ones "created" from fag's abuse.

If that is the case, then some should be able to be treated with psychotherapy / pharmacotherapy (the created ones) and the others, not. In the case of the latter, chemical castration would seem the most prudent treatment and / or institutionalization.

I can't explain all dykes (most were obviously the result of sexual abuse) nor can explain nigger, mozelm and jew predisposition to faggotry. I also don't belive that deprivation creates fags, such as in prison -there should be a narural revulsion to another man's anus just like one should be repulsed by the thought of fucking one's mother, no matter how long you're trapped on a desert island with your mom or how long you're in prison.

Prove me wrong.
View attachment 13405
I say Made universally. No way God would willingly make someone's primal urge to be gay. They had to've been conditioned into the act.
 

gamagoat6x6

Well-known member
Old World Underground
🐸 Citizen of the Internet 🐸
⏰☕🚬🚽🚿🪒🏋🏻🥓
No way God would willingly make someone's primal urge to be gay.
That's possible - that God makes things a certain way and Satan (indirectly via fags preying on boys) messes them up, but how to explain all of the other mistakes that occasionally occur in nature like Down syndrome or syndactilism, for example?
 

Anonymous

Guest
As an aside, I would really like to reiterate what @Andrew Anglin now must include as a reminder every time he has to deal with so-called 'Gays' in his articles. I believe this should form the International Working Definition of Anal-fetishism which we enforce on everyone at every given opportunity in order to maintain focus on what exactly it is we are talking about here:

Well, it’s when a man rams his penis into another man’s anus and uses the anus to masturbate the penis to ejaculation. The man then ejaculates his semen into the other man’s rectum, and the semen mixes in with the feces.
Understand – I just want you to understand this, because we hear about gays so often and how beautiful it is to be gay – these are other things that gays do:

  1. Lick men’s anuses
  2. Stick their fingers into men’s anuses
  3. Stick their entire fists into men’s anuses
  4. Suck on men’s penises
  5. Eat the semen of men

That is what these people define their identity by – engaging in these actions.
taken from source:

Note that Andrew identifies them as Anal Fetishists. They can stop doing it, they are not born this way. It is a fetish, that is to say it is a psychological construct which they use as a cope for their perversion of biological impulses and mechanisms. There is no such thing as so-called 'Gay Sex' - defining this behavior as 'a type of sexual intercourse', in so making an equivalence with the reproductive act, isn't just a deliberate attempt to normalize abhorrent and unsanitary behavior, it's an affront to God.
 

gamagoat6x6

Well-known member
Old World Underground
🐸 Citizen of the Internet 🐸
⏰☕🚬🚽🚿🪒🏋🏻🥓
They can stop doing it,
Of course they can - but that's not my question.

My question is that no matter how deprived of sex that I am, there's never going to be a point in time when I'm aroused by the sight of a man's anus or have any compulsion to suck his cock to climax: it's just not in my genetic code, nor is it in any normal man's genetic code: ther'd be no point in nature to have this occur.

The fact remians that certain men do get aroused by other men's hairy anus and want to suck off other men. Simultaneously, there exist men who submit to being fucked up the ass and blow other men and (I guess) enjoy it because they display no interest in seeking women for sex and procreation.

My question is is this reaction of becoming aroused by the sight of men's asses and penises something that is a mistake in the man's genetic code or is it purely the result of corruption of the man's formative development when young or are there cases of both.
 

Martin_Riggs

We can only save ourselves
Old World Underground
🐸 Citizen of the Internet 🐸
⏰☕🚬🚽🚿🪒
Almost every faggot has been raped as a child.
Most times it’s not as a child, but when they’re pubescent and hormonally confused. This is called “pederasty” instead of pedophilia, which is sexual interest in pre-pubescent children.

Pedophilia usually comes from an out-of-control porn addiction, whereas pederasty is merely a common practice among adult homosexuals as a means of “reproducing.”
 

Anonymous

Guest
Of course they can - but that's not my question.

My question is that no matter how deprived of sex that I am, there's never going to be a point in time when I'm aroused by the sight of a man's anus or have any compulsion to suck his cock to climax: it's just not in my genetic code, nor is it in any normal man's genetic code: ther'd be no point in nature to have this occur.

The fact remians that certain men do get aroused by other men's hairy anus and want to suck off other men. Simultaneously, there exist men who submit to being fucked up the ass and blow other men and (I guess) enjoy it because they display no interest in seeking women for sex and procreation.

My question is is this reaction of becoming aroused by the sight of men's asses and penises something that is a mistake in the man's genetic code or is it purely the result of corruption of the man's formative development when young or are there cases of both.
I know, I was just making an aside that's all.

To answer your question directly, I don't think gays have a genetic abnormality. I'm quite convinced it's a corruption of morals and their formative development. I think that there may be a biological component of hypersexuality, which would also inform other behaviors, not just arousal at males. Some men get off from all sorts of disgusting and bizarre things, yet we don't call it an orientation (yet), though the gay thing is the opening salvo in normalizing it. I think the crossover between gays and all these other paraphilias is telling, as is the correlation with other anti social behaviors even when you factor in 'acceptance' or social security.
 

Colonel Shickenflecker

AM†DG
Old World Underground
⏰☕
I heard it explained once this way, but I forgot who said it so I can't attribute it correctly.

German and Irish people may have a genetic disposition to alcoholism, but that doesn't make them born to be alcoholics. They have to indulge in it with no self-control and let it take them over. Same with faggotry. You have to know your own temptations and weaknesses and avoid them. You don't get to just blame it on how you were born.
 

Jjames

Unreconstructed
Old World Underground
🐸 Citizen of the Internet 🐸
⏰☕🚬🚽🚿🪒🏋🏻
Declining testosterone levels, one take

Testosterone

The Decline In Testosterone Is Destroying The Basis Of Masculinity
Masculinity February 6, 2017 140 Comments Roosh











Testosterone levels in men are declining worldwide alongside sperm counts. The hormone that makes men men is disappearing from the human world. As a result, men are becoming more feminine and choosing the paths of weakness, homosexuality, and cuckoldry. While it’s necessary to look at the ideological causes of leftism in men, the biological reasons must not be ignored, and that starts with an understanding of the testosterone crisis.
Cultural programming alone cannot explain why Western men are becoming so womanly and fragile. A man who receives blue pill and feminist propaganda through university education, the media, or entertainment will not fully accept that propaganda unless his biochemistry is compatible to it, in part from having low testosterone. His mind accepts more feminine ideas because he is more feminine. You cannot accept masculine truths if your biology lacks a healthy level of testosterone, the chemical building block of masculinity.
Whether or not you accept my proposition that a man with a low testosterone level is more likely to be receptive to liberal ideas, the facts bear out that testosterone levels are declining every year (alternate link).
…testosterone concentrations dropped about 1.2% per year, or about 17% overall, from 1987 to 2004. The downward trend was seen in both the population and in individuals over time.
The decline is consistent with other long-term trends in male reproductive health, including decreases in sperm quality and increases in testicular cancer, hypospadias and cryptorchidism.
The strongest association was observed in same-aged men from different sampling years. For example, a 65-year-old in 2002 had lower testosterone levels than a 65-year-old in 1987.
Approximately 1 in 4 men have low testosterone, but the scientific bodies that set the numerical standards, particularly the United Nation’s World Health Organization, have a blatant interest in promoting “toxic masculinity” and downplaying the testosterone crisis. This interest is made bare with the execution of an agenda to feminize defenseless boys, their promotion of the world’s most rabid man-haters, and their multi-million dollar sponsorship of vagina-worship through UN Women, which aims to make every man a collared dog of an empowered female office worker.
Sperm counts are dropping

The decrease is testosterone is coinciding with a decrease in sperm concentration. A French study showed that they are decreasing 1.9% per year.
Among a sample of 26 609 partners of totally infertile women undergoing an assisted reproductive technology (ART) procedures in the whole of France over a 17-year period, there was a continuous decrease in semen concentration of about 1.9% per year and a significant decrease in the percentage with morphologically normal forms but no global trend for motility.
Another study points to a worldwide decline.
In 1992, Carlsen et al. reported a large, global decline in sperm count for the period 1938-1990 based on 61 reports of sperm count from different countries around the world during that period. In 1997, Swan et al. reanalyzed the same data set using multivariate statistics. This reanalysis confirmed Carlsen et al., subject to constraints inherent in retrospective longitudinal studies of sperm count.
Testosterone is declining, sperm counts are declining, men are becoming infertile, and if a walk through my home town of Washington D.C. recently is a reliable indicator, they’re rapidly embracing homosexuality and transsexuality as normal lifestyles to live hopelessly sterile existences that are disconnected from their natural biological role, and one where they vote for feminist politicians like Hillary Clinton that want to usher us all into an androgynous hell where sex differences are eradicated.
Sperm counts are getting so bad that the anti-testosterone globalists at the World Health Organization have already lowered the normal standard. Otherwise, perhaps as many as 50% of Western men would be labeled clinically infertile. Imagine the news headline on that story.
Sperm count, or sperm concentration to avoid confusion with total sperm count, measures the concentration of sperm in a man’s ejaculate, distinguished from total sperm count, which is the sperm count multiplied with volume.[5] Over 15 million sperm per milliliter is considered normal, according to the WHO in 2010.[6] Older definitions state 20 million.[2][3]
Testosterone should not decline in healthy men

If you believe that testosterone should decrease as you age, you have been taught a falsehood. If you’re healthy, it should remain stubbornly constant, even into your elderly years.
Handelsman and his team, however, found that serum (blood) testosterone levels did not decline with increasing age in older men who reported being in excellent health with no symptoms to complain of.
“We had originally expected age to have an effect on serum testosterone, so the findings were a bit of a surprise,” Handelsman said.
If we can conclude from the above studies that testosterone is declining independent of age, it’s worth investigating the cause. Most of the current science points to endocrine disrupting agents.
EDCs are everywhere. They lurk inside your house, leaching from human products such as personal hygiene products, chemical cleansers, or contraceptive drugs. They also end up in your food and drinking water, causing you to unknowingly ingest them.
EDCs pose a threat to men’s health as they interfere with testosterone production, causing men to take on more feminine characteristics.
Here’s one proof: in a number of British rivers, 50 percent of male fish were found to produce eggs in their testes. According to EurekAlert, 3 EDCs have been entering rivers and other waterways through sewage systems for years, altering the biology of male fish. It was also found that fish species affected by EDCs had 76 percent reduction in their reproductive function.
Endocrine disrupting agents are mostly found in plastic products and cleaning chemicals. Considering that your home is essentially bathed in these agents, and that most of your food is prepared on them, you can see how pernicious this problem is, affecting both boys and men.
Animal and cellular studies have found that some phthalates block the effects of testosterone on the body’s organs and tissues. Researchers set out to examine whether these chemicals, which are widely used in flexible PVC plastics and personal care products, had a similar effect in humans.
“We found evidence reduced levels of circulating testosterone were associated with increased phthalate exposure in several key populations, including boys ages 6-12, and men and women ages 40-60,” said one of the study’s authors, John D. Meeker, MS, ScD, of the University of Michigan School of Public Health in Ann Arbor, MI. “This may have important public health implications, since low testosterone levels in young boys can negatively impact reproductive development, and in middle age can impair sexual function, libido, energy, cognitive function and bone health in men and women.”
It’s important to know the signs of low testosterone. If you’re being exposed to harmful chemicals, your testosterone will likely see a chronic decrease over several years instead of experiencing a sudden drop that you can perceive. This is why it’s a good idea to get your testosterone level checked right now to establish a baseline count that can be compared to a future reading.
One of the most telling clinical symptoms of low testosterone is emotional changes that make you more moody, irritable, and depressed. In other words, having lot T turns you into a menstruating woman. Not only does the physiognomy of a male feminist degenerate into that of a soft, punchable mass of tissue, but he acts more like a woman, too. This is exactly why I believe that the increase in feminine behavior among men in the West is as due to biology as much as to culture. We simply cannot explain the rise of the cuckold through CNN, Hollywood, and universities alone.
Conclusion
The fact that testosterone is declining worldwide, and that it’s contributing to the rise of femininity in men, both in appearance and ideology, tells us that counter-propaganda and spreading red pills will not alone solve society’s leftward march. We can take over all major institutions today, and shower men with the truth, but their biology simply won’t be able to accept it because they have become more like women: cooperative, egalitarian, emotional, and socialist.
The next step we must take is to launch a scientific crusade to test the effects of all commercially used plastics on male testosterone levels, and to enact a ban of their use if a negative effect is found. If we can do it to the pesticide DDT, we can surely do it for any chemical that is destroying the very biological basis of masculinity.
Read Next: What Is Neomasculinity?
 

RedPillStormer

♫♪♬ I bless the rains down in Africa ♫♪♬
Old World Underground
👑
🐸 Citizen of the Internet 🐸
🎩
⏰☕🚬🚽🚿🪒🏋🏻🥓💻⛪️
Sadly, we can only theoretize. No serious unbiased research is done.

I believe in the idea of inclinations. People are born with inclinations to different activities. Thus, people with a strong inclination towards heterosexuality would need extreme stimulus to turn gay, whereas someone who is strongly inclined the other way would need a lot to stay straight.

I think that pre-natal exposure and inclination + lived experience is the best guess for the moment.

I don't think anyone honestly knows 100% the details behind how it happens. What is clear, is that the studies of genetically similar twins seems to imply there definitely are social factors.

I think the main point the right should use, and it can't be refuted is this "there is no proof homosexuality is 100% genetic, there might be genetic or environmental factors like some studies have shown, but there is no proof that homosexuality is 100% caused by biology and social factors don't play a role at all".
 

ClipartQuaranteen

Slave with 9999 HP
I remember Patrice O'Neal made a very simple point that always sticks out from time to time: the steroetype of the effeminate gay man is the same across all cultures and across time. Go back to Feudal China and the gay man will be limp wristed and catty and womanlike.
 

gamagoat6x6

Well-known member
Old World Underground
🐸 Citizen of the Internet 🐸
⏰☕🚬🚽🚿🪒🏋🏻🥓
Declining testosterone levels, one take
I think there's plenty of high-T "bears" and other manly fags out there. The (open) fags I've known personally were about evenly split between effeminate and masculine - looking.

Interstingly, there doesn't seem to be a correlation that one would assume that makes the effeminate on ethe passive (bottom) one, or at least in what I've seen. My wife worked with a manly fag (no way you could guess he was a fag) and his "husband" was a flamboyant, lisping, limp-wrist straight out of central casting, yet the masculine one was the "wife".
 

MichaelWittmann

Well-known member
Old World Underground
🐸 Citizen of the Internet 🐸
⏰☕🚬🚽🚿🪒🏋🏻
Fags "born that way" or made?
Yes.

Like with most things, it's to some degree a combination of nature and nurture. In faggots I think there's an actual genetic predisposition to it, but the predisposition is activated by childhood trauma, lack of strong male role models, and social pressure. These other factors cause an actual derangement in the brain.

I would draw an analogy with alcoholism. The predisposition to it is probably genetic, but the alcoholic can escape his fate with proper upbringing and discipline. But once he becomes an alcoholic, it can be difficult to recover.
 

Enigma

Well-known member
Cave Beast
🐸 Citizen of the Internet 🐸
⏰☕🚬
Made by high estrogen food, obesity and the usual leftist social engineering.
 
Top