Did Yesterday’s Patriot Front March in Chicago Include Covert Federal Government Involvement?

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"If this were a real "right wing march" anti-fa and BLM would have attacked."
This

They marched in Chicago un molested for the most part. Chicago is enemy control real estate top to bottom(they own the police and prosecutors there).

I am extremely suspicious because of the above.
That would be absolutely valid otherwise, but in this case they neither staged the event nor announced it. They showed up and marched to/with an existing pro-life demonstration.
 

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The tiki-march didn't, the events the next day did
Check your facts. Cantwell got rung up on things that happened at the tiki march, and he turned over the body camera he was wearing to the Feds.
 

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Check your facts. Cantwell got rung up on things that happened at the tiki march, and he turned over the body camera he was wearing to the Feds.
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Check your facts. Cantwell got rung up on things that happened at the tiki march, and he turned over the body camera he was wearing to the Feds.
True. I think he was the only one who had real trouble from that night, though - to say nothing of the fact that Cantwell was going to get himself rung up on something no matter what. πŸ˜†
 

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Any known organization of any type that is even sympathetic to whites, let alone pro-white or anti-semetic, is going to be monitored and possibly targeted for infiltration. Yet there are people out there who are going to try to organize despite the risks. How successful PF has been at handling this is anybody's guess.

Organization vs infiltration will always be a cat and mouse game. Even the CIA and FBI get infiltrated by their foreign counterparts.

Even all the gray men and those who simply seek to avoid this rampaging golem of a country need some kind of organized crew, be it other townsfolk or a based church, or even just a small but solid group of friends they can rely upon. When the SHTF they're going to need to organize even better, and even then there will be infiltrators trying to get at your ammo, petrol and bean cans.

Also wanted to point out that even the Stormer Book Club had a uniform and the requirement to not be fat.
 

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Generation Identitaire looks good. And here are American Nationalists doing good optics. They are not getting bogged down with stupid shit. Show up, do thing, leave.
Things that most people have been programmed to hate: separatist identity like southern nationalism, any colors that are not red, white and blue, and overtly in your face pro-white shit. PF checks none of these boxes.
Shitting on PF does nothing. If anyone you know is interested in joining the best thing you can do is explain that many people in PF are involved in TRS pool parties which means that the (never doxxed) Jayoh may have access to your info. I think the time for groups cross pollinating is over.
Any type of activist group needs to be stove piped around everything else.

This is 1000% better than assholes hanging banners over the interstate on 9-11 that say "google dancing israelis"
Just in case no one knows, when you "google dancing israelis" you literally get fucking heebs doing their circle line dance you no longer get any search results relating to urban moving systems or Dominik Suter et al.
 

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What are these guys trying to do, bait us into doing something stupid? Not going to work if we know they're feds.

It makes me wonder if there's a faction of white men in the government who are sick of all its faggotry and negro-worship. Under the cover story of trapping white supremacists, they're organizing to overthrow the government and install a white male junta.

To fix the economy, all this junta has to do is seize the Fed's printing press, print just enough money to pay their guys, and tell everyone else to get a fucking job.

The media is a thousand loudspeakers connected to one microphone. After a few nationally-known media figures get beaten up by exercise machines, they'll hand that microphone over to the junta.
β€œIs Ray Epps a Fed?”

FBI official: β€œI can’t answer that.”
 

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BREAKING: FBI Official Says 'Sir, I Can't Answer That' When Directly Asked If Ray Epps Was A Fed

When asked β€œWho is Ray Epps,” Sanborn replied, β€œI am aware of the individual, sir, uh, I don’t have the specific background of him.”

After showing evidence of Epps’ bizarre behavior on both Jan. 5 and Jan.6, Cruz asked, β€œThis was strange behavior, so strange that the crowd started chanting β€˜fed, fed, fed.’ Ms. Sanborn, was Ray Epps a fed? How many FBI agents or confidential informants actively participated in the events of January 6th?”

β€œSir, I can’t answer that,” Sanborn said.

 

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Okay, dude.

Get together a Nazi gang and tape your license plate and do a march through Chicago and then have no law enforcement comment and very limited media comment.

Better yet, before you do that, have a member of your neo-Nazi gang get convicted for murder in one of the highest profile events of the last decade, then don't become a target of the FBI.

After that, then tape your license plates and do an organized Nazi march through Chicago and experience no law enforcement or local/federal government comment and very muted media attention.

Then, after you do that, I will get the word "stupid" tattooed across my face in the Atomwaffen font.
 

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There is no conceivable legitimate reason to do these retard marches. There is no conceivable legitimate reason to associate with the TWP. Patriot Front is completely intent on doing retarded shit in service of the federal agenda, what difference does it make if you can actively figure out who the specific feds in their leadership are when they wholeheartedly engage in the exact same behavior the federal assets would do in the exact same position?

Patriot Front hangs out with people at the snitch table. That's a matter of public record. By the standards of prison, and any serious dissident or criminal organization, they're a bunch of fucking rats. If you sit at the table with known and proven snitches, the taint spreads quick.
 

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There is no conceivable legitimate reason to do these retard marches. There is no conceivable legitimate reason to associate with the TWP. Patriot Front is completely intent on doing retarded shit in service of the federal agenda, what difference does it make if you can actively figure out who the specific feds in their leadership are when they wholeheartedly engage in the exact same behavior the federal assets would do in the exact same position?

Patriot Front hangs out with people at the snitch table. That's a fact. By the standards of prison, and any serious dissident or criminal organization, they're a bunch of fucking rats. If you sit at the table with known and proven snitches, the taint spreads quick.
Agreed.
The only White group I would endorse would be one that went out and brought food to homeless and tried to help White people with drug addictions.
Marching in costumes is weird and servers no purpose other than to recruit young men that want to do something/anything but have zero outlets.
 

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What else should they do?
Actually try to offer olive branches to normiecons instead of needlessly antagonizing them and trying to usurp normiecon events which obviously makes them look like bad actors even if untrue.

Build local networks and act within that context instead of doing pointless flashmobs seemingly aimed at no one in particular.

Transform into an anti lockdown/anti mandate direct action group and transfer their flashmob skills to that end, while using opposition to fluhoax as a spearhead to redpill boomers on race and jews

Plenty of options
 

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What else should they do?
Whenever any option to do anything appears, there is also another option: don't do the thing.

So, the answer is: what they should do is not do that.

Would you be willing to try to explain the purpose of these events? You're promoting them, so you should be able to explain the purpose.

But the mere fact that you actually invoked Charlottesville in defense of this tells everyone reading this the level that this exchange is on. "This is good, it's like Charlottesville" is such an insane statement that it is difficult to even wrap your head around it.

To be clear, I haven't called these people feds. I haven't even commented on it. The only comment I would give is that if they were feds, they would be doing what they are doing. That obviously is not any type of proof and it isn't the basis for an allegation.

But I've lived long enough to learn that there is a certain type of person who is mindlessly and singularly obsessed with street protests done by organized right-wing groups, and will defend them forever without ever feeling any obligation to explain the purpose. They cannot be argued with or reasoned with, as they feel no obligation to reasoned argument, as you just proved with "what else should they do?" That's why I don't comment about these marches on the site. There's no point.

It's much better, in my view, to offer a positive message about what people can do personally to improve their lives. I'm commenting in this thread only so there is a record for anyone who wants to look up my opinion on this. The only people who will see it are the people interested in seeing it. I'm beyond giving warnings about this retard shit, and believe that retards should be left to do retard shit.
 

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Actually try to offer olive branches to normiecons instead of needlessly antagonizing them and trying to usurp normiecon events which obviously makes them look like bad actors even if untrue.

Build local networks and act within that context instead of doing pointless flashmobs seemingly aimed at no one in particular.

Transform into an anti lockdown/anti mandate direct action group and transfer their flashmob skills to that end, while using opposition to fluhoax as a spearhead to redpill boomers on race and jews

Plenty of options
How would they do any of that without some kind of public event?
 

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Well, I only said "possibly" because I was thinking about mild sites like GatesofVienna, that probably don't attract enough attention to warrant federal meddling. But maybe they do, IDK.

One thing's for sure, the more a person or organization is making a difference or making waves, the more keenly the Eye of Sauron will gaze upon it, and then come the orcs.
 
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Better yet, before you do that, have a member of your neo-Nazi gang get convicted for murder in one of the highest profile events of the last decade, then don't become a target of the FBI.
Why do you claim that they have not become a target of the FBI? Their continued existence? By that logic you and your site haven't become targets of the FBI. Fuentes and the AF people do events where they announce thbeforehand that they're going to be there and they're still successfully doing it.

And as I already said in this thread yesterday, in a comment to you: he wasn't a member, his friends were kicked out, and it was technically a different group, of which other members left after Charlottesville and started Patriot Front.
After that, then tape your license plates and do an organized Nazi march through Chicago and experience no law enforcement or local/federal government comment and very muted media attention
A quick search on Brave pulled up about 10 articles about the event with comments from the ADL and such. There was only local police there for the pro-life march and they didn't know patriot front was going to be there. As with all their public events, they didn't announce it beforehand, they just showed up.

Covering your license plate also isn't some kind of felony or anything either.
Then, after you do that, I will get the word "stupid" tattooed across my face in the Atomwaffen font.
My reply: "stupid" was just in response to Bon's claim that they were obviously feds because they were all dressed the same. So I'm not sure why you're responding to that unless you think thats not a stupid assertion.

Let's be real hypothetical here:

If I said this was Thomas Rousseau behind the keyboard, and I was once a member of an organization called "Vanguard America"; in which some other members of the group had invited James Fields to an event we were attending (that you had promoted as well), and then after the event and Fields-related tragedy went down, those members who invited him to march with us were kicked out of the organization, I and other more serious members left and started our own group called "Patriot Front" where we took vetting and security more seriously, only let new members in very selectively, focused on presenting a much cleaner, patriotic,, pro-America look, and only held un-announced "flash-mob" style events instead of publicly scheduled marches like Charlottesville, and that we had just had one such surprise appearance in Chicago, where the guys who picked us up afterwards had put tape over their license plates while doing so weren't hunted down by SWAT 4 days after the event to be given traffic tickets, would you actually be getting that tattoo?
 
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So, the answer is: what they should do is not do that.
All they did was show up un-announced to a public normie-conservative event and show public support. Why should they not do that? (I get that the guys who picked them up covered their license plates but I really really really do not think that some un-identified people with them committing a misdemeanor traffic violation in lawless Chicago and not being hunted down by feds afterwards is very indicative that they are a controlled opposition.)
Would you be willing to try to explain the purpose of these events? You're promoting them, so you should be able to explain the purpose.
I haven't "promoted" anything or said anyone should join or show up to anything. I've just defended Patriot Front by saying they're not necessarily feds just because they look good, do irl events, and haven't been hunted down by cops because some guys that picked them up from a pro-life rally covered their license plates.
Maybe you're confusing me with yourself promoting a planned march in Charlottesville a few years back. (See? I can make asshole comments too)

If I had to explain the purpose I would say the same thing I already said to another poster in this thread: their purpose in showing up to real life events like this one is probably just to attract new membership and show support for normal conservative causes. Is there any other reason to have a public protest? I guess their reason is the same reason why the other pro-life groups were there marching. Or the same reason why Nick shows up to anti-vax events.
But the mere fact that you actually invoked Charlottesville in defense of this tells everyone reading this the level that this exchange is on. "This is good, it's like Charlottesville" is such an insane statement that it is difficult to even wrap your head around it.
I actually only invoked the un-announced "flash-mob" style tiki-march thing that Richard Spencer led the night before, which did indeed have good optics and didn't lead to a total shitshow like the events the next day. (However, someone in this thread yesterday informed me Cantwell was arrested for something there, I wasn't previously aware of that and thought his arrest was for stuff during the scheduled Charlottesville rally the next day.)
To be clear, I haven't called these people feds. I haven't even commented on it. The only comment I would give is that if they were feds, they would be doing what they are doing. That obviously is not any type of proof and it isn't the basis for an allegation.
You've commented on it here in this thread. And while I guess you didn't say "I think these guys are feds" you certainly seemed to imply that, unless you think people are stupid for getting involved with them for some other reason. Anyway, this whole thread has pretty much been about accusations that they are feds, as is the assertion of the GatewayPundit article linked in the OP.

Nick Fuentes and the America First crowd show up at in-person public events and give speeches and show support for things in real life, but you don't accuse them of being feds nor side with the people who accuse them of that. I guess I'm just confused as to what the difference is in your opinion between what PF is doing and what AF is doing. Other than that PF shows up un-announced whereas Nick tells everyone he's going to be there before an event. And that Nick and AF have a bit better look and strategy.

I don't think PF not having quite as good of a look or strategy as AF means they are feds.

The only thing suggesting anything suspicious about PF thats been said in this thread so far that has any credence is this: The people who picked them up at the pro-life rally had tape on their license plates and those guys haven't been identified, hunted down, and arrested for it so far.

And you'll have to forgive me but I just really really don't think that is solid evidence that they are feds.
 
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Transform into an anti lockdown/anti mandate direct action group and transfer their flashmob skills to that end, while using opposition to fluhoax as a spearhead to redpill boomers on race and jews

Plenty of options

First there is room for both strategies. Continuing to drive the race wedge will work on a certain group of people. PF/ NJP-TRS / Identity Dixie
are aiming for working class, racist, nonreligious whites. America First is for the white guy who still goes to church and isn't aware of how racist he really is. Every time I meet a white person who still goes to to church the first thing I ask is if they are hip to the AF type stuff.

Second since most of us have decided to be good optics cucks I think we need to be building momentum for anti-vax and anti-mask action as winter comes to a close. WE NEED TO BE PLANNING FOR THE SUMMER NOW!!! Old school leaflets in community libraries. Banner drops. Chalk the streets. QR code to a particularly patriotic DS article about the vax hoax.

@cledun I want to point out that in shitlib big cities an anti-vax/anti-mask banner has the same effect as a prowhite banner. Here in Seattle women would cry if they saw an antimask banner drop on the interstate. That is the pivot for people on the fence. Anti-mask IS prowhite. Build antivax momentum now.

@JasonVorhees Agreed, getting away with covered plates is 100% NOT evidence. I drive around without license plates on all the time when I visit friends in California where you have to pay to use the bridges. nobody notices. I've never been stopped. And cops don't stop anyone in the winter.
 

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I don't think PF has anything to do with those 2 groups or even those types of people, and I also don't think PF is trying to appeal to non-religious types specifically.

I agree with you agreeing with me on the plates not being a big deal tho.
 
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