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Traditionally, you were allowed to criticize the king as long as you agreed he had the final decision making authority.
Jokes and memes aside, in an environment where everyone is a "King" then it could get pretty fuzzy on who really is the King.

I've always appreciated Jayden's arrogance on what is or isn't optical. It kept the AF core in line with the age appropriate culture. Even more so the various media of their generation.

Also Panthen Den, he really was finely tuned with his multimedia videos and AF memes while throwing an anesthetic bone to our circles.
 

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I was a big supporter of CWC, frankly (for that matter, I supported Steel Puma). So I'm not happy how that turned out. However, he showed that he wasn't willing to pledge loyalty. Though there is a "gray area," I think it is very thin.
The thing about CWC is that he snaked on his friend RPG. In way, this was even worse than snaking on Nick. I don’t like RPG but he did stand by CWC when everyone was coming down on him and then CWC threw him under the bus to try to get back in good with AF. RPG was there for CWC in his darkest hour so it’s arguably even more dishonorable than snaking on Nick.
 

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The thing about CWC is that he snaked on his friend RPG. In way, this was even worse than snaking on Nick. I don’t like RPG but he did stand by CWC when everyone was coming down on him and then CWC threw him under the bus to try to get back in good with AF. RPG was there for CWC in his darkest hour so it’s arguably even more dishonorable than snaking on Nick.
Honestly, I don't even know the story. I just know he somehow ended up on Warski.

I think it's sad, he was very good on Ralph's show, and whatever happened apparently made it impossible for him to be on there anymore.
 

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Pretty sure the account is screenshotted is Nick's account.

I'm not even sure that's the case, so don't feel embarrassed. But I'm pretty sure Nick posted it somewhere and it was called "Content Creator." I think that is his account. I think he is having a falling out with Jayden.

I sort of expected this. No hate towards Jayden. But you have to be down to ride or die, and you have to be willing to say "well, I might not agree, but I'll stand with Nick." I said this about CWC when he was arguing with Beardson. Like, even if you disagree, or don't like him personally, that doesn't matter.

I'm not totally silent on criticism of Nick's actions, or totally closed off from listening to it. I wouldn't post it on the front page, but I might say it here, like I said I can understand LeTrav's point about the Metokur thing. But I will always say "ultimately, it is up to Nick, and I will abide by the decisions he makes, unless he becomes somehow completely unhinged or out of control."

I don't think there is any middle ground where you say "I don't totally agree with him, so I will vaguely try to undermine him while not totally doing so." Ultimately it comes down to either totally backing his moves (even if you don't necessarily agree with all of them) or completely denouncing him. Again, that doesn't mean you can't say "I don't totally agree with this," it's just a matter of either saying he has the ultimate decision making rights or does not.

Basically, Nick should be viewed as you would view a king. You can say (quietly) "well, I am not sure this is the correct move." There are several things that I am not 100% sure are the right call - but I defer to him as the one who is allowed to make these decisions. Traditionally, you were allowed to criticize the king as long as you agreed he had the final decision making authority. Serving a king is not the same thing as serving a God - you can criticize or disagree, within reason, as long as it does not appear you are trying to overthrow. I get that this can get muddy, but ultimately you either say he is your leader or not. Obviously, people can in theory do some weasel thing where they say "I support him, but..." But you kind of have to allow that ambiguous area. If you get the impression someone is plotting a revolution, you cut them off.

I was a big supporter of CWC, frankly (for that matter, I supported Steel Puma). So I'm not happy how that turned out. However, he showed that he wasn't willing to pledge loyalty. Though there is a "gray area," I think it is very thin.

Nick listens to Jayden personally, so I don't know what this is specifically about, but I have felt for a long time that Jayden might not be completely on-board with what we call "fealty." There have been instances where I just felt a spirit of rebellion there.


Yeah they did that for me before.

If you listen to Ralph, null seems like some kind of villain. While I'm sure they might hate each other, it's also sort of good for both their brands. I don't think Kiwi is bad or associated with swatting or that fat guy.
I’m really, really out of it right now, so my ability to write is.. not good, but try to see through the lines of what I’m saying:

i think it’s important here for Nick to give Jaden the room to have a falling out.

As long as Jaden doesn’t go full wignat, I wouldn’t kick him off cozy or badmouth him, even if Jaden is publicly critical of Nick or cozy or Jaden wants to go in a different direction for a few weeks/months/even years.

I think part of loyalty is remembering who your friends are, even if your interests aren’t aligned, and not being intemperate with them, even if they’re having some kind of issue and can’t manage the same. I have a problem with this part, so I’m particularly sensitive to the implications, and I’d like to offer my 2 cents to Nick.

Part of the appeal of cozy at this point is it’s broad range and large number of serious content creators, and not that it is Nick’s personal platform. I mean, it is, but it isn’t perceived that way, necessarily. Major streamers will be more likely to come if this remains the case, and viewers won’t get annoyed by Nick’s ego if it isn’t thrown into the management style. Moreover, there are some risk management implications, especially if Nick somehow along the way does something personally to appear cringe and lose favor, he can fade into the background for a bit and continue to run things while promoting the same content philosophically.
 
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Welp. It happened.



Nick then said -



Jaden just responded with this



Maybe it's true, I think it's more likely that Nick sort of illuded to a rift in the business relationship and Jaden took it as a sign to resign, and Nick thought he was being straightforward and asking for it.


Update- Nick just posted this--



looks like I was right.

Either way, people like CWC and RPG are gloating already, would be sad to see Jaden go the way of the snake, but it is what it is.

How fuckin hard is it to just be loyal?
 

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Welp. It happened.



Nick then said -



Jaden just responded with this



Maybe it's true, I think it's more likely that Nick sort of illuded to a rift in the business relationship and Jaden took it as a sign to resign, and Nick thought he was being straightforward and asking for it.


Update- Nick just posted this--



looks like I was right.

Either way, people like CWC and RPG are gloating already, would be sad to see Jaden go the way of the snake, but it is what it is.

How fuckin hard is it to just be loyal?
Meh, let him do his thing. people can’t be actively involved in this full-time. I vanished for a year or two there, in case anyone noticed, to do my own thing.

It’s like George Washington’s army: we’re volunteers and we have to be able to go home when we have personal obligations or anything else that’s keeping our hearts from being in it.

I’m confident that if Nick and Jaden keep this cordial and do their own things for a while, they’ll work things out in the longer term.
 

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Nick is about to appear on the first episode of Beardson's TWS reboot, probably will be discussing Jaden drama.
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Nick is about to appear on the first episode of Beardson's TWS reboot, probably will be discussing Jaden drama.
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Man, despite it all, Nick still wants to give Jaden the chance to mend the relationship. He did throw some digs at him but nothing too serious. I really hope Jaden takes him up on the offer.

I really think an amicable split would be best for each party. If Jaden goes full snake mode, or goes on some shit like warski's show, I will be extremely disappointed.
 

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The thing about CWC is that he snaked on his friend RPG. In way, this was even worse than snaking on Nick. I don’t like RPG but he did stand by CWC when everyone was coming down on him and then CWC threw him under the bus to try to get back in good with AF. RPG was there for CWC in his darkest hour so it’s arguably even more dishonorable than snaking on Nick.
The only reason RPG was supportive of CWC was because CWC was having a falling out with Nick. RPG is some kind of weird psychotic spiritual(?) jew who's driven mad by the need for attention and revenge against those who do not give it to him. Over a year before Nick made fun of him and turned him into what he is today, me and Azz noticed him on DLive when he had about 5 viewers and we liked the guy's content and aesthetics (minus the questionable physiognomy) so Azz called in to and promoted his show a few times to give him a little boost. Well idk what he thought that was but according to him that wasn't enough. I think he got jealous that Azz would promote my game streams over his show or.. idk I guess maybe he just felt entitled to more. But yeah anyway he turned on him and was obsessively attacking Azz for a while in the same way he does Nick now. His reasoning was because "Azz pretended to be his friend but never promoted his show even though he would promote other shows" Just stupid insane bullshit that went to an embarrassing extreme. So idk if the guy even cares about CWC beyond his hate for Nick and the opportunity to turn people against him. Either way he's one of the strangest individuals the internet has ever produced.
 

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The only reason RPG was supportive of CWC was because CWC was having a falling out with Nick. RPG is some kind of weird psychotic spiritual(?) jew who's driven mad by the need for attention and revenge against those who do not give it to him. Over a year before Nick made fun of him and turned him into what he is today, me and Azz noticed him on DLive when he had about 5 viewers and we liked the guy's content and aesthetics (minus the questionable physiognomy) so Azz called in to and promoted his show a few times to give him a little boost. Well idk what he thought that was but according to him that wasn't enough. I think he got jealous that Azz would promote my game streams over his show or.. idk I guess maybe he just felt entitled to more. But yeah anyway he turned on him and was obsessively attacking Azz for a while in the same way he does Nick now. His reasoning was because "Azz pretended to be his friend but never promoted his show even though he would promote other shows" Just stupid insane bullshit that went to an embarrassing extreme. So idk if the guy even cares about CWC beyond his hate for Nick and the opportunity to turn people against him. Either way he's one of the strangest individuals the internet has ever produced.
The sad truth is that his knowledge of the AF crew is his only value. It's the only content he can make, so it will be the only content he does make. He is always there as soon as any drama pops up. Even today, when Jaden made that telegram post saying that he resigned on his own, RPG was there in the reply's literally 15 or so seconds after the post.

Come to think of it, CWC was as well for that matter. Maybe they were expecting it??? It's not something I had thought of before just now. Well, if it's not a coincidence that they both had prior knowledge that Jaden was about to make a post refuting a statement made by Nick, then that would be extremely disappointing. I would find it hard to believe though, Jaden despises those two, so I'm still leaning towards RPG and CWC just being spitefully driven to any AF drama. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out that Nick and Jaden have been on the decline so them watching Jaden's telegram doesn't sound like that much of a stretch.

Anyway, I still think you are right, RPG and CWC's biggest problem was they weren't being given enough of what they think they deserve, and it consumes their entire output. I'm not sure I'd put Jaden in that camp just yet unless more information comes out that we are generally not aware of, this just seems like personalities no longer being compatible. We've all been there, this is just the e-drama version of it.
 

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Man, despite it all, Nick still wants to give Jaden the chance to mend the relationship. He did throw some digs at him but nothing too serious. I really hope Jaden takes him up on the offer.

I really think an amicable split would be best for each party. If Jaden goes full snake mode, or goes on some shit like warski's show, I will be extremely disappointed.
This behavior makes zero sense if you're already public/doxed.

Like, where are you going to go? I have a website, I can say whatever I want about anyone. But when you're a streamer, probably with political ambitions, what are your possible moves, other than to back Fuentes? I don't see a list of possible moves. You have to be able to completely build your own competing brand, and especially given the deplatforming, this is not possible.

Like, imagine being that pinoy guy whose name I can't even remember now who ditched Nick and went on TRS. I guess that apparently pays the bills, but there is no room to forward any kind of long term professional objectives. I've thought about the possibility that it would at some point become impossible for me to run a website, and I have worked out that I would write essays and books distributed as files that people could share with each other. As an adult man, you have to constantly be thinking about these things. You saw people like Adam Kinzinger lose their seats by attacking Trump, but that is actually beneficial to him in terms of the private sector. He's going to be making a lot of money until the empire collapses. I can't imagine putting yourself in a situation with no professional options because of some ego dispute.
 

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imagine being that pinoy guy whose name I can't even remember now who ditched Nick and went on TRS. I guess that apparently pays the bills, but there is no
James Allsup. Damn, that's a name I haven't heard in like 2 years.

Imagine that Allsup had a much larger following than Nick on YouTube, I forget exactly but he had something like 500k subs, and he chose wrong. Groyper curse is real.
 

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James Allsup. Damn, that's a name I haven't heard in like 2 years.

Imagine that Allsup had a much larger following than Nick on YouTube, I forget exactly but he had something like 500k subs, and he chose wrong. Groyper curse is real.
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Like, imagine being that pinoy guy whose name I can't even remember now who ditched Nick and went on TRS. I guess that apparently pays the bills, but there is no room to forward any kind of long term professional objectives.
The funniest part of that whole saga is that TRS didn't even have his back. They laid him off a few months ago and replaced him with some NJP feminist guy, and although I don't know the inner workings of TRS, I'm pretty sure James didn't even get paid while being there either.

Even more bad news for James is that he apparently got fired from his real estate job after Antifa doxed where he worked. In the process, they also found that he had changed his name in order to try to get back into normie life. I almost feel bad for the guy
 

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The funniest part of that whole saga is that TRS didn't even have his back. They laid him off a few months ago and replaced him with some NJP feminist guy, and although I don't know the inner workings of TRS, I'm pretty sure James didn't even get paid while being there either.

Even more bad news for James is that he apparently got fired from his real estate job after Antifa doxed where he worked. In the process, they also found that he had changed his name in order to try to get back into normie life. I almost feel bad for the guy
Oh jeez.

Did not know that.

He had to have been paid for working at TRS. They are making a lot of money, not just through magically still having credit card use and doing $10 recurring subs, but also through large lump sum donations. I mean, they're millionaires. You couldn't not pay someone working on that kind of thing.

But you could easily dump someone if there was no contract. Allsup was probably too stupid to be in on the fed thing, maybe that's why they put him out (although it's kind of come out that TRS has an internal narrative explaining that they need access to the feds to protect themselves - people in the organization have said stuff like "well, if Antifa is able to make their case to the feds, why shouldn't WE have a line to them too?"). Or he was thrown under the bus for being mixed-race while they're going full pure Aryanism. Or maybe he just sucked, who knows.

That's brutal.

But hey - we live with our decisions.

Not sure why anyone would think they could just quietly slip back into the work force after this. Can you imagine me trying to go get a job at a bank?
 

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Oh jeez.

Did not know that.

He had to have been paid for working at TRS. They are making a lot of money, not just through magically still having credit card use and doing $10 recurring subs, but also through large lump sum donations. I mean, they're millionaires. You couldn't not pay someone working on that kind of thing.

But you could easily dump someone if there was no contract. Allsup was probably too stupid to be in on the fed thing, maybe that's why they put him out (although it's kind of come out that TRS has an internal narrative explaining that they need access to the feds to protect themselves - people in the organization have said stuff like "well, if Antifa is able to make their case to the feds, why shouldn't WE have a line to them too?"). Or he was thrown under the bus for being mixed-race while they're going full pure Aryanism. Or maybe he just sucked, who knows.

That's brutal.

But hey - we live with our decisions.

Not sure why anyone would think they could just quietly slip back into the work force after this. Can you imagine me trying to go get a job at a bank?
Apparently they did lose credit card processing very recently. Not sure when that happened but I was recently corrected on that. They collect their paywall payments through the mail and I guess Sven is doing odysee live streams to collect paywall payments.
 

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Oh jeez.

Did not know that.

He had to have been paid for working at TRS. They are making a lot of money, not just through magically still having credit card use and doing $10 recurring subs, but also through large lump sum donations. I mean, they're millionaires. You couldn't not pay someone working on that kind of thing.

But you could easily dump someone if there was no contract. Allsup was probably too stupid to be in on the fed thing, maybe that's why they put him out (although it's kind of come out that TRS has an internal narrative explaining that they need access to the feds to protect themselves - people in the organization have said stuff like "well, if Antifa is able to make their case to the feds, why shouldn't WE have a line to them too?"). Or he was thrown under the bus for being mixed-race while they're going full pure Aryanism. Or maybe he just sucked, who knows.

That's brutal.

But hey - we live with our decisions.

Not sure why anyone would think they could just quietly slip back into the work force after this. Can you imagine me trying to go get a job at a bank?
The top TRS guys live in a big house in a gated community in the Poconos that has its own synagogue.
 

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Apparently they did lose credit card processing very recently. Not sure when that happened but I was recently corrected on that. They collect their paywall payments through the mail and I guess Sven is doing odysee live streams to collect paywall payments.
Actually, I'm pretty sure they lost their payment processing in mid-2020. Maybe they got it back at some point, but from what I remember they lost it in 2020. I kind of find it hard to believe that they're all millionaires, like, I'm sure Mike and Sven probably make a fair bit of money, but everybody else?

Considering how low TRS traffic is and how little live viewers they pull on their livestreams, I find it very hard to believe they could be making that much money. If we were to generously assume they have 1,000 subs, that would mean they rack in $120k per year, and if we assume they make the same amount in donations that would put the total at around $240k. That's definitely an impressive living for one or two guys, but TRS/NJP is a big network of like 20 people, and I would assume Mike and Sven take much bigger cuts than the other guys.

All that in mind, I can't imagine Allsup could have possibly made that much, if anything, considering he was never that important of a figure at TRS. He wasn't involved with the NJP, he was very new, and he was only a co-host on their number 3 show. But who knows, TRS did make shit tons of money pre-Jayohgate days and before losing payment processing, so maybe they have tons of cash in reserves that they could give to their lower-level employees.
 

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This behavior makes zero sense if you're already public/doxed.

Like, where are you going to go? I have a website, I can say whatever I want about anyone. But when you're a streamer, probably with political ambitions, what are your possible moves, other than to back Fuentes? I don't see a list of possible moves. You have to be able to completely build your own competing brand, and especially given the deplatforming, this is not possible.
I think this goes to show that the whole thing is just emotional immature stuff rather than some Machiavellian plot by Jaden.

I started typing out a big thing analyzing the Jaden situation yesterday but decided against it. One of the things I was going to point out is that Jaden is kind of a flighty sperg. You can watch his streams where there's some drama going on and he gets this emo face and is literally rocking back and forth in his chair like a mental case. He's not good with conflict. You can see it especially in certain IRL clips.

One that really comes to mind is when Nick, Jaden and some others are doing some thing (I think in DC) where Nick is telling some girl that the cops are going to kneel on her black friends neck. Nick of course is calm and collected as always, totally in control. Some of the others are showing various signs of nervousness, but Jaden really stands out. He looks like he's about ready to literally run away. And you can see this in other high stress situations where Jaden is contrasted against Nick. It's very obvious and apparent that he doesn't have anywhere near the mettle that Nick does.

I could keep going on forever with my analysis of this but I frankly just don't have the energy. Jaden has a variety of character flaws, especially arrogance and jealousy, and I think there's also an element of him having a toxic bunch of paypigs in his ear at all times probably feeding his resentment. Nick is very mature and has high standards, and he gets bothered when people around him behave like highschoolers rather than serious people. He also has a very low tolerance for disrespect. It's easy to see how this situation could happen.

I'm hardly a Jaden superfan, but I sincerely do hope that he hears Nick's pleas for reconciliation and issues a public apology.
 
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