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This is why I don't want to beat up on Big Tech in this situation. Or really make a huge moral fagging about reporting channels at all, everyone gets reported and every does reporting. I used to think it was a snitching in prison tier faux pas in 2016, as well as being morally wrong. But after being booted from everything and seeing literally everyone else support this stuff up until immediately after it happens to them, I just can't summon the fucks to give.
I'm responsible for getting a small village worth of accounts banned in comments sections, and thousands of their stupid comments removed, over the years.

I was part of the OG 2016 twitter crew who all got purged after Trump won and ghettoized to gab. By January 2017 most of us had realized that turnabout was fair play. When it comes to accounts run by antifa, shitlibs, neocohens, groomers, and other hostile entities, yes, I've clicked that flag button thousands of times with no regrets. We didn't bring this double edged sword to the battlefield, our enemies did, but I have absolutely done my part to make sure it's thrust into them as well, even if at a rate that pales in comparison to the organized mass targeting and censorship of rightwingers; I have no regrets. Some of the funniest times I've had on the internet were watching these sniveling faggots resurface frothing in an incredulous rage at how an ebil nazi could possibly game a system of censorship enforced by AI and dumb pajeets into harming the very people who had set it up to harm us.

Everybody loves a punishment which fits the crime. And besides that, I don't even want to live in the same country as these people, I don't care if we exist in the same platform together, especially since they already lobbed their nukes first and set these censorship precedents against our will, which I spent years opposing in vain. Freedom of speech was also intended for White men of good character only as well; and that certainly precludes a lot of the seethers who subscribe to these sacrosanct unwritten rules of the internet.

That said, I will agree with @Andrew Anglin that maybe deplatforming a larger content producer like Mr. Girl was not the smartest move in terms of what Nick was doing with those people. I'm not going to defend it in that instance. All this has been to say, the pandora's box on the use of flagging as a weapon in the culture war has been irrevocably opened. There are some situations where it is overkill and inappropriate to employ and it can be argued the MG situation was one of those, but there are other times where it's absolutely appropriate.

The people against flagging on principle are as detached from the reality of the situation as the hopeless utopians who oppose guns on principle. I'd love to just roll back time and again have the 2015 internet where everything that was covered by the first amendment went, but that's not how the world works. Looks like the flag button will be here for a long time to come.

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I really don't feel all that passionate about MG or Jim and KF, but if the flag button is going to remain a weapon in the culture war, and it's going to remain, then the people who supported implementing it and exponentially expanding its scope should absolutely be treated to their share of it where the system can be gamed, the same as all those Martha's Vinyard jews and shitlibs should be treated to more enriching diversity.
 

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Big Tech is a scapegoat. The stumbling block is Nick’s complete lack of humility when approaching this subject.

I don’t know why people are having such difficulty grasping this not-at-all-hard-to-understand concept.

Let’s go through the sequence of events. Understanding the chronology is important.

1. Late April, Nick does his debate with Metokur where he goes to the mat for for his right to flag people. There is no ambiguity to what his position. He even defends false DMCA flagging which is illegal. He makes defense of flagging a specific person. The debate is watched by +10,000 people. We’ll call this POINT A.

2. For the next week, the debate is endlessly analyzed and dissected across the Internet. Many large content creators during this time did analysis’ of the debate. During this period, Nick continues to reiterate his pro-flagging position in feuds with Styx and Rekeita.

3. The controversy eventually dies down and gets ultimately drowned out by the even more catastrophic Jaden arc.

4. Several months pass.

5. Big Tech tells his audience to flag Mr. Girl.

6. Big Tech appears on Destiny and makes his pro flagging arguments. Nick comes in later to tard wrangle.

7. The next day, Nick goes on Telegram and β€œclarifies” his position that he was against flagging. It was only AFTER it appeared that his relationship with Destiny appeared threatened that he did this. We will call the POINT B.

Here is the point that Destiny was desperately trying to get Nick to acknowledge and that Nick was desperately pretending not to understand:
In between Point A and Point B, NO ONE (not Big Tech, not Destiny, not Mr. Girl, not any of the Groypers, not any of the Groypers’ enemies) had any reason to believe that Nick’s position on flagging was anything other than what he said it was during the Metokur debate.

That is what makes Nick’s β€œclarification” a retcon. He expects his new anti-flagging position to apply retroactively, for the time period in between Point A and Point B. That’s not β€œclarifying”. That’s retconning and that’s not how this sort of thing work.

That is also why Big Tech is a scapegoat. When Big Tech told his audience to flag Mr. Girl, he had no reason to believe that Nick’s position on flagging was anything other than what he said it was during the Metokur debate. You could say even if that were the case, Big Tech still should have been smart enough to know that a friend of Destiny would be an exception to the rule. But the fact is that when Big Tech went on Destiny’s stream, he gave what he believe was the official AF position on flagging. He was repeating Nick’s arguments from five months ago.

If you watch the last Nick-Destiny encounter, Destiny spends half the debate trying to get Nick to acknowledge this very easy to understand concept and Nick spends half the debate pretending to not understand it. He keeps coming back with β€œI said I’m against flagging. I said I would ban any Groypers caught flagging”. But WHEN did he say that?
Chronology is the key factor here. Only after Nick was facing the possibility of negative consequences for holding his previous position did he change it. That is why Destiny was so unmoved by any of Nick’s arguments. Nick was playing dumb and came off like he was gaslighting because he was. And it just dug his hole deeper.

I understand why Nick is refusing to acknowledge this but I don’t know why the people on this board are having such a hard time understanding it.
Gay sex.

Okay. Who cares? You say you understand β€œwhy Nick is β€œflip-flopping” on his stance!!1!” So, what’s the point of this, then? You want people on this board to understand that Nick’s position on flagging has changed so that they can do what exactly? Write posts seething about Nick’s stance changing over time, I guess…? Maybe you missed the part where AF is a revolutionary movement in a symbolic knife fight with the Jews. So, fact-checking the consistency of who does/doesn’t support flagging pedos in another forgettable bout of drama is a retarded reason to become a seether.



I think this addresses your post? I skimmed through it, and I still failed to see the importance of all this. Like I said in the opening of this: gay sex.
 

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Sneako clip saying white people don’t have free speech.

He’s watching a clip of a black girl saying she won’t date a white guy because she wants to keep her bloodline pure. He asks what would happen if a white guy said the same thing.

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Nick came out with a pro-headache position against non-believers in headaches. I don't think it is clear whether or not he's getting regular headaches or if it is something rare, but unless he needs glasses or is dehydrated, the only obvious cause is too much cortisol. I have had some stress in my day and never gotten headaches (unless I was drinking excessively), but this does happen. The solution is unironically massage. Well, that and strength training and probably cardio, but Nick is going to be anti-fitness for another year or two until he starts getting fat (metabolism slows at 25, actually, with 27 being the age of peak physical fitness before the body starts to rapidly decline). Probably part of the reason I've never gotten headaches is that I've always been a heavy smoker and a fitness person.

Cortisol production is like female sexuality in that it is a biological function that just isn't fit for the modern world. Basically, stress-related cortisol is a thing where your brain is telling you to change something about the situation you are in to relieve the stress, just like the pain mechanism of the nervous system, but in the modern world you have these sources of stress that can't ever be fixed. The only solution is to mitigate the effects to prevent being crippled by cortisol overload.

One of the reasons I am not totally onboard with people saying Nick should do the show on time is that a lack of sleep increases cortisol quicker than anything, and just generally lowers the cognitive function. No one should purposefully go without sleep for any period, and I know how hard falling asleep can be. I just listen to the podcast, so I don't know if he's been doing the show on time after people said he was going to try to, but it's not worth it if he's not sleeping and getting headaches. (Trav claimed the drop in live viewers was proof that arguing with Metokur totally destroyed AF, but the site has replays. This isn't 1992 where he's showing up late for a TV show. The only thing I would say is to shill the podcast and replay.)

The point is, headaches are not something that doesn't have a cause you can change. They're not like cancer or something that pops up and you can't change it, unless you've suffered a head injury. I had an acquaintance who quit drinking alcohol (foolishly) and got serious headaches that destroyed his life, so it's not a small thing. I'm only familiar with alcohol headaches but they are horrible. I've of course had to work with a hangover before, because I have the world's greatest work ethic. I can't imagine getting headaches regularly and not knowing the reason. I should really write a self-help article about this, it's just not something I think about often, but I suppose a lot of people have this issue.

So, the headache guide is thus:

  • Take an eye exam and get glasses (at least for reading) if necessary
  • Drink more water (always a good idea regardless for basically every reason)

If one and two don't work, it's pretty much definitely cortisol related, so if you are unable to reduce the stress by fixing the cause of the stress:

  • Make sure to get enough sleep (it's fine if it's in the daytime, just make sure you have total blackout curtains)
  • Work out and do cardio or at least go walking for 20 minutes
  • (Yoga type stretching stuff also helps)
  • Go to massage
  • Find relaxing activities, such as listening to classical music or soundtracks
  • Clean up the diet
  • Stop being addicted to cellphones and spent all the time you can away from electronics
  • Get a dog

Now that I've actually written all this, it's obvious that this is no different from "general health advice."

I think for Nick, who doesn't want to work out, going to massage twice a week would really help, but he probably doesn't want to do that either. I don't think he's autistic - Destiny keeps saying he's autistic, and it is like the dumbest thing for an autistic person to always be saying "you're autistic like me" because autistic people lack an ability to pick up on social cues. But he does seem like someone who wouldn't be comfortable with massage. Also, it's probably a nightmare to get a massage in America in the current year, as it's all fat women with some agenda. I would say go to the Asian one, but people probably don't know how to recognize which one is a handjob center.

The show with the headache comment - not sure if it's the most recent one because the podcast has been lagging - was one of the best in a long time. It was much better than the one where he had a headache, proving beyond any doubt that this is a serious issue.

I lol'd a few times, including at "this other guy, who is Jewish by the way, and vaxed," and really liked the part about loyalty. The part about Destiny - which might have been what Kozer tried to link in his blocked video - was also very good. I agree that Destiny is a rat and a hall monitor, and I now agree that he pulled out of talks in bad faith. I will say that the latter is more of an issue for me. He uses rat tactics as part of his agenda, he views it as a strategy to lie and out-talk people. I think that's a fundamental part of his character, so it's not really something you can complain about, like "omg I didn't realize Destiny was a total rat! this realization is shocking to me!" He's been doing this shit for like what, 5 years, and he's always been a rat/snake. This is why he has an audience in the first place. However, pulling out of talks with the Big Tech excuse violates his presentation of himself.

There is one thing, which isn't even really a criticism. One of the reasons I liked the Twitter spaces is that they were more esoteric, with a much smaller audience. It was just the core devoted people showing up for that. I think that's where the drama stuff should be. There or on the Killstream. I know some portion of the audience is high school kids who want to hear him talk shit about ex-staff, but I reckon the main show should be targeted at a general audience who doesn't know the ins and outs of all that stuff. When I read superhero comic books as a kid they started doing all of these tie-in stories that crossed a whole bunch of comics. They did this so that people would be forced to buy all the unpopular books in order to get the whole story. My grandpa would take me to the comics store every week and just buy as many as I wanted, so the money wasn't an issue, the issue was that the books they were trying to get you to buy were badly written. Going into the drama stuff on the main show is basically asking people to commit to something more than a news and commentary TV show and be aware of all of these characters that most people don't care about and a general audience isn't even aware of.

One thing I've done with the site very deliberately is make it so no one has to have any background information to show up and read it. There are inside jokes and running bits and so on, but they always make sense on their own (at least that's what I go for). I've written a few drama articles relating to TRS, but that was sort of unavoidable when they went full-fed, because I had been responsible for building most of their audience for them (for free btw - what a retard). Anyway, that was like 3 articles. When I replied to those attacks they were doing defending those women who had sex with Weinstein, I just referred to them as "a group of neo-Nazis" and posted their tweets so that anyone could read it without knowing the background.

People will say Nick shouldn't do drama, and I don't really agree with that, certainly not on principle. Some portion of the audience is going to be into that. The issue is just that most of the audience are not chatters and are not that deep in. Here on the forum, people naturally think that this is a human group and I'm writing all the DS articles for people here that we all know, but there are a couple hundred people who post on this forum and millions who read the front page every day, most of whom don't even know this forum exists. Every content creator has to be aware of the fact that the overwhelming majority of the audience is casual. You need that devoted hardcore group, and they're maybe more important technically, but the core content shouldn't require a bunch of background.

Over the summer, Ralph's show kind of got too esoteric for me. He's been making a lot of money, because the people who pay are the people who are really deep into the fandom, so I don't blame him, but I lost track of who all these people he's fighting with are. I think the Kiwi Farms war was very good, because I know who those people are, and I hope he does a war with Owen Benjamin, because I know that faggot. But the content loses meaning when you don't know who the people he's talking about are, and you have to listen to every show to keep all these people straight, plus you really need to go read/watch extra materials. But Ralph is aware of all these dynamics and doing this deliberately.

Anyway - there's a new Star Wars show on, so it would be a great time for Nick to restart the spaces. I watched half of an episode and it seems like it's going to be a lot better than Kenobi at least. Although apparently Nick is getting banned too fast to do spaces.
 

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Stop being addicted to cellphones and spent all the time you can away from electronics
Yeah I think that's his headache problem, this nigga spends all day staring at a screen of some kind.

Turn on the blue-light filter!
 

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I am not taking Destiny at his word on this. He can get on stream and say over and over again that he is some free speech advocate. He can say he whatever he wants but we know better. Did Susan Wojcicki give Destiny a call and say it was either his YouTube channel or Nick? How do we know that didn't happen? Because Destiny is such a stand-up guy and doesn't lie?

if Destiny is pushing us out it is what it is. we can't be put in such a humiliating position that we would have to beg a dick sucking cuck to let us talk on YouTube. it was bad enough when Nick got put in time-out by Sneako for saying the n-word. I like Sneako but something about that nigger crying when Nick said the word made all my racism spill out. I was just watching it passively and enjoying until that happened then I started yelling "the n-word" so loud at my TV that it woke my neighborhood. Nick getting admonished by that black was almost too much. This made-up Destiny story about Mr. Girl getting banned definitely crossed the line. There is no way to deny Destiny's story and there is no way for us to reverse the ban. So there is nothing left to do except beg and plead that he lets Nick back on, which is unacceptable.
Yeah, okay, but I don't think anyone ever thought Nick was going to beg Destiny. I guess you're just saying this is pointless to talk about at all, and that's mostly true. However, the fact that this guy Big Tech can just show up out of nowhere with a cop face and just start wrecking shit is very, very similar to what was going on in the alt-right before the inevitable collapse. People were just showing up. The whole thing was destroyed by people who didn't do any work and didn't really have any appeal. There has to be some kind of quality control.

I don't think Nick should ban him, so I don't know what the solution is, but people can't just show up and start representing AF. There has to be some kind of gatekeeping and quality control. I still don't fully understand what Steel Puma did. I vaguely know what CWC did, and he ended up refusing to apologize and then going to join Kino Casino and other disreputable people, but insofar as I understand it, his initial offense was lesser than that of Big Tech.

Also, Big Tech is weird. If someone gets prideful or is a woman-lover, you can understand what they have going on. This guy has something wrong with him and can't understand basic social normalcy. There's a lot of shit I could talk, but that isn't the point - I don't care about this guy. I'm not angry. This is a practical matter. There were all these issues with people who just showed up, and created all these problems.
 

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it would be a great time for Nick to restart the spaces.
Although apparently Nick is getting banned too fast to do spaces.
He could do off the cuff streams on Telegram, but the consensus seems to be that β€˜it’s just not the same’. People seem to prefer no stream at all instead of a Telegram stream.

I’m having trouble fully understanding this view point and also having trouble communicating my argument in favor of it, I guess.

I know why the culture-jamming effect of a banned dissident being able to commandeer the app and broadcast his message - The Message - in the midst of all his enemies is optimal, magical even (I could make a better case for this argument than anyone I’ve seen make it, btfw)... but adapting to suboptimal conditions is what created cozy in the first place and I’m not entirely sure why I’m not seeing any grindset mindset in this area.
 

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I like the sushi belts. Go for the tuna, always - it can't be farmed and is always wild-caught, though quality varies and is sometimes mackerel. Any "salmon" (LOL) you see is just farmed trout and worse than pure soy.
 

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Big Tech is a scapegoat. The stumbling block is Nick’s complete lack of humility when approaching this subject.

I don’t know why people are having such difficulty grasping this not-at-all-hard-to-understand concept.
Bro, everyone understands.

You're the one pretending to not understand.

First, the context is obviously more complicated than you make it out to be. Nick was defending Ralph, who was flagging people who were trying to get him killed with these constant swattings, and actually flying in to beat him in the streets. We've been over this totally, repeatedly - the arguments about flagging people being a tool to fight back against people fucking with you is valid, technically.

Simply:

There is no free speech, so people who haven't been banned who then use the much more powerful mainstream platform to attack people who have been banned are abusing the fact that censorship exists in an unfair way, so fighting back against them with flagging is morally justifiable. What's more, Ralph was fighting against people who flagged down all his shit, so it's reciprocal.

The obvious counter to that is that it shouldn't be done because it's so unpopular on the wider internet. It's not unpopular with Ralph's audience, people think it's funny. But the argument is too complicated, and as you know, they were making Nick out to be pro-censorship. His position is what I said, what we've all said, and what you are deliberately obscuring: there shouldn't be any censorship at all, but when there is censorship, this allows for people who are not banned yet to take advantage by using the power of these platforms to attack people who are already banned, and therefore to balance that, it is in no way morally wrong to flag people who are attacking you. Nick's position hasn't changed, it's simply that people associate flagging with supporting censorship, and the only people who understand the dynamics are people who are deeply involved in this.

Second, you are totally misrepresenting Big Tech's position to try to fit it into your anti-Nickist narrative. Big Tech is openly pro-censorship. When he called into Brittany's show, he said he wanted to censor me. Talking to Destiny, he said of YouTube: "this is our platform." He said that he wanted to silence Mr. Girl because he can't control his own kids and they will watch his videos. Did you not listen to the Brittany show? He doesn't know what the Miller test is and just wants to censor everything he doesn't like, and says that flagging is a way to do that.

This is a very basic thing you're pretending to not understand: Nick had the context of a conception of fairness and a justifiable explanation for using flagging as a way to respond to people using these platforms to attack people who are already censored. Big Tech is just arguing in support of censorship, outright. These are very different positions, and I do not believe you don't know that.

Third, as you also know, Destiny is just lying. Destiny was just recently flagging Keffals, saying he was lying about him. So Destiny doesn't even believe in what he is saying he believes in. Pumping up Destiny as if he is acting in good faith here is wrong. I thought he was, but we now know for a fact he isn't some hardcore anti-flagging activist.

You can be against Nick defending flagging as a weapon, and to your credit, you were at the time. All this other stuff you've posted against Nick has been new allegations that you didn't say anything about when they allegedly happened (the crying hoax you tried to do was just too much), but you were originally against the Metokur debate position. However: at the time, as anyone can go back and check, you understood the argument. You even said that Nick was arguing for internet personalities while Metokur was arguing for the consumer, and you confirmed that you understood Nick's arguments, which I was defending in the same way I'm defending them now. So you're asking us to believe that you somehow stopped understanding in between point A and point B, and now you think Nick was just arguing in defense of censorship like Big Tech.

If Big Tech would have went on Destiny and said "yeah I flagged him because he was using YouTube to attack and lie about people who are already banned - I support free speech, but we don't have free speech so it's not fair for people to go on these platforms and attack us when we can't defend ourselves" - then the reality of the situation would line up with your stated perception. But that's not what happened. Big Tech, the ultimate bizarre individual, said "these are our platforms" and said he just wanted everyone he doesn't like censored because he can't control what his children watch online.

If he would have made the tactical flagging argument, the argument that Nick made which I've already explained several times in this post, a lot of people would have at least understood it. Some people wouldn't, and I agree that it is not great optics, but this is not what happened in reality. He said: "these are our platforms." As a self-appointed representative of AF, he said that he supports censorship outright.

All Nick has said is "we are against deplatforming," which was always his position. It was literally a clarification - he clarified that he did not support Big Tech's pro-censorship position, and he wants everyone to have free speech.

So what you're saying is just all wrong. I can't tell if you're doing this deliberately. I assume you must be because this has been explained so many times, over and over again. Maybe this post was needed to clarify. But after this post, you don't have any excuse to come in here and claim to not understand - and then accuse us of not understanding!

Frankly, I would still defend Nick regardless, even if he flip-flopped, and I would not be begging him to apologize or whatever it is you're doing here. I would say "oh well, mistakes were made - the show goes on." I have an extremely high tolerance for Nick Fuentes making mistakes. Honestly, I can't even think of anything he could do, save getting involved with the feds, which would make me turn against him like you apparently have. I mean, I wouldn't act all whiny and outraged like you are even if I did turn against him, because if he joined the feds that would be a serious issue that I could just state plainly instead of whining and coming up with goofy bullshit like that he was crying. The fact of the matter is, there is no one out there doing competent media and engaging the system like he is. The good news is, he doesn't make very many mistakes.

Even if everything you're saying was correct, this thing is still a very minor thing to freak out over. But of course, you're having a freakout, so the truth doesn't even matter.

You've lost your shit, man. I don't understand what you're going through - I kind of wonder if the feds showed up at your house, frankly. I love you, bro, but you've clearly got something going on. I can tell you've got substances going on from your posting. Maybe just take a break and try got relax for a couple weeks, clean up a bit, and come back and take a fresh and sober look at things.
 

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he needs glasses
There is an extremely high prevalence of astigmatism and such in anyone with any Hispanic heritage, at all. Many of them get by, but need glasses and don't even realize it for year and years. Not saying that's it but it's definitely a likelyhood.
 

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Maybe I still need more posts before I can do a search. This is what I see when I click your search link. I also don't see any button/link to initiate my own search.


I also can't upload an image directly; there's only an option to link a url. I'll just use postimg.cc since that's what Potsticker is using.


Sorry if this meta post is off topic.
idk what is going on with that. This forum software is ultra complicated. I like the way it looks, but it's really hard to do admin shit. You might have to have "cave beast" to search. I don't have any idea why.

Anyway, here's the link:

 

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Big Tech is a scapegoat. The stumbling block is Nick’s complete lack of humility when approaching this subject.

I don’t know why people are having such difficulty grasping this not-at-all-hard-to-understand concept.

Let’s go through the sequence of events. Understanding the chronology is important.

1. Late April, Nick does his debate with Metokur where he goes to the mat for for his right to flag people. There is no ambiguity to what his position. He even defends false DMCA flagging which is illegal. He makes defense of flagging a specific person. The debate is watched by +10,000 people. We’ll call this POINT A.

2. For the next week, the debate is endlessly analyzed and dissected across the Internet. Many large content creators during this time did analysis’ of the debate. During this period, Nick continues to reiterate his pro-flagging position in feuds with Styx and Rekeita.

3. The controversy eventually dies down and gets ultimately drowned out by the even more catastrophic Jaden arc.

4. Several months pass.

5. Big Tech tells his audience to flag Mr. Girl.

6. Big Tech appears on Destiny and makes his pro flagging arguments. Nick comes in later to tard wrangle.

7. The next day, Nick goes on Telegram and β€œclarifies” his position that he was against flagging. It was only AFTER it appeared that his relationship with Destiny appeared threatened that he did this. We will call the POINT B.

Here is the point that Destiny was desperately trying to get Nick to acknowledge and that Nick was desperately pretending not to understand:
In between Point A and Point B, NO ONE (not Big Tech, not Destiny, not Mr. Girl, not any of the Groypers, not any of the Groypers’ enemies) had any reason to believe that Nick’s position on flagging was anything other than what he said it was during the Metokur debate.

That is what makes Nick’s β€œclarification” a retcon. He expects his new anti-flagging position to apply retroactively, for the time period in between Point A and Point B. That’s not β€œclarifying”. That’s retconning and that’s not how this sort of thing work.

That is also why Big Tech is a scapegoat. When Big Tech told his audience to flag Mr. Girl, he had no reason to believe that Nick’s position on flagging was anything other than what he said it was during the Metokur debate. You could say even if that were the case, Big Tech still should have been smart enough to know that a friend of Destiny would be an exception to the rule. But the fact is that when Big Tech went on Destiny’s stream, he gave what he believe was the official AF position on flagging. He was repeating Nick’s arguments from five months ago.

If you watch the last Nick-Destiny encounter, Destiny spends half the debate trying to get Nick to acknowledge this very easy to understand concept and Nick spends half the debate pretending to not understand it. He keeps coming back with β€œI said I’m against flagging. I said I would ban any Groypers caught flagging”. But WHEN did he say that?
Chronology is the key factor here. Only after Nick was facing the possibility of negative consequences for holding his previous position did he change it. That is why Destiny was so unmoved by any of Nick’s arguments. Nick was playing dumb and came off like he was gaslighting because he was. And it just dug his hole deeper.

I understand why Nick is refusing to acknowledge this but I don’t know why the people on this board are having such a hard time understanding it.
Bruh,

Flag people who suck and are assholes punching down.

I don’t make any money off this shit, nor do I ever expect to.

Certain things are right when you are right and wrong when you are wrong.

Fight to win, when you are right.
 

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He was repeating Nick’s arguments from five months ago.
I just want to highlight that sentence, as it basically sums up Trav's entire freakout.

He's lying, he's become completely unhinged, or both.

Big Tech was not only using different arguments, there was literally zero overlap between the arguments, to the point where you would have to be a very bold liar or completely disconnected from reality to make this statement. It's not like there was a subtle difference that could be misunderstood.

Nick argued:

Censorship is bad but it exists already, and this means that people who are not censored have a very serious and unfair advantage over people who are censored. Therefore, if people who are not censored use that advantage to slander or otherwise attack someone who is censored, it is totally fair and morally justifiable for the censored person, who has no ability to defend himself otherwise, to flag that person, and thereby force them to deal with the consequences of the mechanism they are exploiting.

That's key here: the person doing the attacking from the ivory tower of the mainstream platform is purposefully exploiting censorship to their advantage. They are conscious of this. Porcelain, who Nick said he reported, would not have been talking all of that shit about Nick if Nick had the ability to respond. So these people who were the topic of the Metokur debate were already themselves actively exploiting censorship, and the counterargument is that it is wrong for people to actively exploit censorship by flagging them. It's a dumb argument.

Big Tech argued:

"These are our platforms." I don't know what exactly that meant, but I guess he was referring to the Aryan race (note: YouTube is run by the Jews). He said that he supports total censorship of everyone who disagrees with him, and literally said he wants to censor me. He doesn't know what the Miller Test is, and when it was brought up, said that it was probably a Jewish anti-censorship conspiracy. He made a point to go on the Destiny show, to represent AF, and said that he wants to censor everyone who disagrees with him. He said that "God is an authoritarian" and did not know the history of freedom of speech in Europe. He said that he is categorically against free political speech and artistic expression, and wants to personally decide what is censored.

He said that he was beginning his mass censorship campaign by flagging people. He said, very explicitly, that he wants to use flagging to remove people he disagrees with from the internet.
 

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It just hit me that hating on Britni really reeks of not forgiving your mother. Here's the thing: when she talks, mostly I hear "blah blah blah." I'm not hanging on to her every word waiting waiting for her to say something dumb for me to debunk. I'm not disappointed if some of her content is mid. She's a woman. Why would I get upset about any of that.

I've earned my stripes as a woman hater. Plenty of OGs here are probably still pissed off at me for disrespecting long time forum femposters when I was still fresh off the boat. Not to sound like a badass, but like, I am actually fed up with women, and I am unafraid to show it even IRL, probably to a fault. If some stupid arrogant fat dumb bitch wants to get smart and use fighting words with me, I will literally have a nigga moment.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj9Hzs-vBLE

It's not cool or badass. I'm not proud of it. But that's how fed up I am with the this gay, rigged, feminized, hopeless society. We're all doomed and fucked over anyway. I prefer to be friendly and get along, but if you want to try me, you might find out how I really feel. Any pussy bitch faggot who initiates hostility with me is getting their bluff called. Oh, you're not willing to back that tough talk up with mortal combat? Shut the fuck up then and act right before I make a mistake. Men too. But the totally feral, power drunk modern woman in particular has an attitude that would get any man shot in a duel 100 years ago. I'm not having it.

Which brings it back around to the point. Women today are so terrible. Yeah, okay, women have always been a certain way. But it's like if you had a demon that was human sized 100 years ago, and now it's 100ft tall. "The demon was always bad!" you say. Okay. But the 100ft gigademon knocking over skyscrapers is definitely worse than a normal sized one fucking you around in ways that are somewhat manageable. You can't argue that feminism has basically destroyed the world without also recognizing that it has caused women to mutate into bloated, monstrous caricatures of their worst traits, reaping total destruction which has ever been seen before.

With that in mind, what is there really to complain about with Brittany? You can talk about her personal life. I don't care about that because it's not my life, and even if I did care there's nothing I can do about it anyway. The bar wasn't that high to begin with, lol. When it comes to her impact on the public space, what's so offensive? She's dumb? She's boring? Did you expect something else from a woman? People say "she's enabling simping." If a guy is a simp you can't stop him. If anyone out there is really getting bricked up every night falling in love with Brittney, they were already destined for NGMIville.

I loathe to sit her spending time writing an essay that sounds like I'm white knighting for an egirl. That's not what it's about. I'd be the first one here calling for her head if I thought she was stepping out of line. I'd love an excuse to confiscate her coat. But unless I had the power to kick all women offline, why would I get upset at possibly the least offensive egirl I can think of? Especially since by some miracle she manages to keep stumbling into some of the best content of the year.

I didn't watch the original Dalton + Tyler stream, but when I heard Dalton seething at Brittany on the panel I was frankly disappointed. I like Dalton, but that looked like a major L to me. It'd be one thing if she was coming at him like a raging bitch, or if she'd actually done something wrong like throwing her pussy around, doing a bunch of manipulation games, something. But this bitch literally just sits there hiding under her hat in her tiny window in the corner 95% of the time, and you're out here raging (while she laughs at you btw) because she gets more viewers? So. Gay. As incredibly biased as I am against women, even I can see that she's apparently been blessed with gift of meme magic. Sparking up a big drunken public feud with a relatively harmless, surprisingly affable middle aged woman (who defies the laws of the universe by earning most of her popularity through facilitating actual content rather than scamming men with her pussy), which results in you admitting that you're seething over the fact that some airhead barbie has more popular content, is SUCH a bad look.

That's what it all comes down to. This isn't about m'lady's honor or something, it's about saying, hey bro, stop looking weak and pathetic by whining and crying about nothing. It looks jealous and petty, and until she starts causing real problems, being invested in her every little woman moment is an automatic L. Beardson is the example to follow. He doesn't put her on a pedestal, he'll troll and bust balls, but he's not riding her nuts trying to debunk her woman brain or something. To her credit, she's always playful and a good sport from what I've seen. And again: it's not even to hype her up. But that's the reality, like it or not, so don't make an ass of yourself by letting a woman make you seem like an asshurt loser by comparison.
 
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Destiny is just lying. Destiny was just recently flagging Keffals, saying he was lying about him. So Destiny doesn't even believe in what he is saying he believes in. Pumping up Destiny as if he is acting in good faith here is wrong. I thought he was, but we now know for a fact he isn't some hardcore anti-flagging activist.

Also a couple of hours ago he just told 60,000 viewers to mass report Hasan's discord. Not that we needed that, but it is clear he was more protective of his friend rather than any principled stance against mass reporting. Or he was just tired of dealing with BS from his community or thought Nick was winning over too many people or wanted to stunt Nick's growth (<---which is my best-educated guess based on all the available facts).
 

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Which brings it back around to the point. Women today are so terrible. Yeah, okay, women have always been a certain way. But it's like if you had a demon that was human sized 100 years ago, and now it's 100ft tall. "The demon was always bad!" you say. Okay. But the 100ft gigademon knocking over skyscrapers is definitely worse than a normal sized one fucking you around in ways that are somewhat manageable. You can't argue that feminism has basically destroyed the world without also recognizing that it has caused women to mutate into bloated, monstrous caricatures of their worst traits, reaping total destruction which has ever been seen before.
 

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He could do off the cuff streams on Telegram, but the consensus seems to be that β€˜it’s just not the same’. People seem to prefer no stream at all instead of a Telegram stream.

I’m having trouble fully understanding this view point and also having trouble communicating my argument in favor of it, I guess.
Okay look. To be clear, my position is not that I would rather have no content than have the content hosted on telegram. In fact, I'll go so far as to throw my full authority behind vetoing the masses that allegedly have this take, and I denounce them all as faggots.

You know I'm just salty about being content cucked by telegram. I want to watch live in my browser. With twitter spaces you don't have to be logged in. I'm not married to any app. But as I typed that, I did realize that probably a telegram stream wouldn't hit the same. That's Nick's normie facing account. There's something illicit and underground about the twitter spaces. Would he really be able to let his nuts hang out on the official NJF Telegram like he can on a surreal spongebob burner account. Probably not.

I'll take the late telegram space replay if no content is the only other option. But I wonder if there's not a third option where he could do a low key, audio only go off stream. Some random anon site. IDK, it just seems like a key feature of the Twitter spaces is that they're not on the main channels. It's not a part of the official brand, it's a informal, casual, semi secret thing. If the content was tailored for the main channels, why couldn't he just do it on cozy?
 

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Nick came out with a pro-headache position against non-believers in headaches. I don't think it is clear whether or not he's getting regular headaches or if it is something rare, but unless he needs glasses or is dehydrated, the only obvious cause is too much cortisol. I have had some stress in my day and never gotten headaches (unless I was drinking excessively), but this does happen. The solution is unironically massage. Well, that and strength training and probably cardio, but Nick is going to be anti-fitness for another year or two until he starts getting fat (metabolism slows at 25, actually, with 27 being the age of peak physical fitness before the body starts to rapidly decline). Probably part of the reason I've never gotten headaches is that I've always been a heavy smoker and a fitness person.
Cortisol production is like female sexuality in that it is a biological function that just isn't fit for the modern world. Basically, stress-related cortisol is a thing where your brain is telling you to change something about the situation you are in to relieve the stress, just like the pain mechanism of the nervous system, but in the modern world you have these sources of stress that can't ever be fixed. The only solution is to mitigate the effects to prevent being crippled by cortisol overload.
Yeah, anxiety/stress production of cortisol is often a cause. They usually call these tension headaches. I get them sometimes. We autists are brimming with cortisol. Which is a redpill I don't think we've ever talked about before.

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If you are an autist and lets face it, we're overrepresented around these parts, you're gonna have elevated levels of cortisol, and you need to be taking steps to produce more oxytocin, the anti-cortisol/anti-stress hormone, to regulate it. Studies show that nicotine releases oxytocin in lab rats. So that's why smoking obviously helps. In fact, people who take oxytocin supplements often have a more successful time quitting smoking, the loss of that regular, controlled oxytocin release is much of what drives nicotine withdrawal.

Fun fact: Thomas Jefferson used to suffer terrible chronic headaches back in the colonial era, which were likely due to the stress of the various prominent roles he took on. They were so acute that he ended up taking laudanum (an opium-alcohol solution) every day for years until he died, which a lot of people don't know about him, and he was basically always buzzed on a cocktail of that.


If one and two don't work, it's pretty much definitely cortisol related, so if you are unable to reduce the stress by fixing the cause of the stress:

  • Make sure to get enough sleep (it's fine if it's in the daytime, just make sure you have total blackout curtains)
  • Work out and do cardio or at least go walking for 20 minutes
  • (Yoga type stretching stuff also helps)
  • Go to massage
  • Find relaxing activities, such as listening to classical music or soundtracks
  • Clean up the diet
  • Stop being addicted to cellphones and spent all the time you can away from electronics
  • Get a dog
I would also look for surrogate activities that mirror the dynamics of the paleolithic lifestyle to the list. I go foraging for wild onions and berries innawoods all the time when they're in season. Some of that is prepping for the civilizational reckoning that is coming. Some of it is because wild onions fry up real well with bacon and eggs. But also, one of the surest ways of achieving Uncle Ted's "power process," which he believed was the primary means to realizing most human happiness, is to basically go walk several miles, find a bunch of wild food, harvest that food, and then walk back to where your home with it to eat/store for future eating.

You cannot, as you say, even so much as make a dent in attempting to remediate so many of the pitfalls of modernity, which causes us to feel impotent, and eventually anxious, and resentful, and that releases cortisol. Uncle Ted's outline of the power process and how to go about achieving it is essentially a blueprint for empowering oneself.

A tangentially related sidenote: I think the standard response of Western medicine, which is to indulge, coddle, and enable impotence the same as with the trannys, is a big reason why so many millennial men are killing themselves at historically high rates, either intentionally or accidentally as a result of drug overdose, despite this ubiquitous "end the stigma" campaigns surrounding mental illness and drug addiction. "Get help," "help is always available, you just have to ask," "don't suffer in silence." Well what does "getting help" mean to these people pushing the "help?" It means infantilizing these people by drugging them with ZOG approved (((Teva pharmaceuticals))), and subjecting them to talk sessions where fat women and jews charge $200 an hour to mollycoddle them like children. They're not empowering these people to feel better about themselves at all, they are instilling a learned helplessness and passivity in the face of defeatism in them, so these patients feel like losers and keep coming back, spending the same $200 for 50 minutes of useless talk therapy over and over again, it's sick. Livia Soprano I think said it best. There's a reason so many people view eating a bullet or a bottle of pills as a better alternative to talking to these people for years.

Young men don't kill themselves because of "toxic masculinity," nor because they don't speak to social workers about their feelings enough, nor because they don't swallow enough anti-depressants. They do it because they are held a virtual prisoner in a modern society which is so unyieldingly alienating at every level. This is something that's been on my mind like a lot this year, because guys I grew up with keep on going down this road, and the national rates only keep rising, and the homeless encampments are only getting bigger, which is seemingly paradoxical considering the unprecedented outreach to the suicidal and addicts over the last decade.

Long story short, I believe Nietzsche was right: happiness is best defined as the feeling of your own power is growing, while resistance is overcome. Impotence breeds unhappiness, anxiety, neuroses, melancholy, and so forth, which produces cortisol. Ergo, by taking on more activities which empower you, instead of making you feel useless, the less cortisol you will produce.

I don't think he's autistic - Destiny keeps saying he's autistic, and it is like the dumbest thing for an autistic person to always be saying "you're autistic like me" because autistic people lack an ability to pick up on social cues.
Destiny's wrong, but you're right that autistic people do this all the time. Like, google "historical figures with autism" and you'll see these autism groups are quite literally including everybody who was anybody. It's basically the Autist equivalent of we wuz kangz; I mean they're probably not wrong some historical eccentrics were on the spectrum, but no where near as many as they're claiming. It's a cope for all the negative feelings associated with being half a retard. Fags will do this too "oh half of all notable people were actually pole smokers," usually basing this off of accounts of men sharing beds before the industrial era, which is dumb for obvious reasons.

He uses rat tactics as part of his agenda, he views it as a strategy to lie and out-talk people.
Jesse Lee Peterson has the best method for handling fast-talking sophists. He'll just proceed to ignore everything they say while they tire themselves running their mouths, committing to a process similar to the Socratic method, repeatedly asking his own simple, reasonable questions over and over until he gets a definitive yes or no answer; at that point, if continued, the fast talking comes off as evasion to most people. If you entertain fast-talking bullshit and allow yourself to get lost in its weeds, you end up legitimizing it.
 

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Women 100 years ago were like Imps. Still dangerous, but for the most part you can deal with them without too much trouble. Now they're like Cyberdemons with double armor and quad damage. Also, men are forced to play by pacifist rules.

I hate to keep banging on about this, but one more thing: it's not just Dalton. I see these wrong headed seething takes about Brittany everywhere, and it just makes the poster look goofy. Like I saw people saying "we hate Brittany because she's a girl boss." Girl boss? More like girl airhead secretary who gives you awesome blowjobs a few times a month. And it's not a simp coomer thing, because in this analogy the blowjobs are legendary streams that hold up to the all time greats.

The bitching is so retarded. So she sits in the corner and doesn't say anything while legendary content falls into her lap. Good! I like that example. Maybe more women should shut the fuck up and hide in the corner under a hat and see if they can reap a similar reward.

I understand that she has an easier time because she's a woman, and that is frustrating, but those are just the rules we have to play by. At least something good comes out of it in her case.
 
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