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The rosary prayer is actually pretty new, and the Russians venerate Mary a lot less than current year Catholics. Their bead-oriented prayer of devotion or forgiveness is "oh Lord Jesus, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner."
In some sense it's "new" but here are some facts about the Rosary:

The rosary is a prayer consisting of 150 hail Marys and 15 our fathers, accompanied by meditation on the life, passion, and glory of Christ. (But usually, only 1/3 of the rosary is said: 50 hail Marys and five our fathers.)

In the first few centuries of Christianity there were hermit monks who could not read all the Psalms in the psalter for the liturgy of hours, so they used to substitute psalms with familiar prayers - like one our Father and one Hail Mary for each psalm, and to count the number of prayers would use stones, or seeds strung on a cord.

St. Dominic is credited with being the first to make widespread the general custom of substituting 150 hail Marys for the 150 Psalms. (The founder of the Dominican order of monks)

The rosary is meant to be a prayer of contemplation -- combining vocal and mental prayer. A group of 1 our father and 10 hail Mary prayers are called a decade, and while saying each decade you meditate on the mysteries of faith.

The rosary (traditionally) is divided into the joyful, the sorrowful, and the glorious mysteries. Each honors the life, the passion, and the glorification of Our Lord.

In the joyful mysteries you meditate on:
  1. The Annunciation
  2. The visitation
  3. The birth of Jesus
  4. The presentation
  5. The fnding in the temple
In the sorrowful mysteries you meditate on:
  1. The agony in the garden
  2. The scourging
  3. The crown of thorns
  4. The carrying of the cross
  5. The crucifixion
And in the glorious mysteries you meditate on:
  1. The resurrection
  2. The Ascension
  3. The descent of the Holy Ghost
  4. The assumption
  5. The coronation of the blessed Virgin
And it's scriptural:

Some notes about the Hail Mary:

Hail Mary full of grace the Lord is with thee; blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.

Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen.


The prayer has two parts: part one is prayer of praise, part 2 is a prayer of petition.

Part 1, the prayer of praise, was written from the archangel Gabriel to Mary, and the words of St. Elizabeth to Mary. ( Luke 1:28 & Luke 1:42)

Part 2, the prayer of petition, was written by the Church, to ask for Mary's intercession.

"We pay special honor to the blessed Virgin because she is the mother of God, and our Mother. To God we give the supreme honor and adoration, called latria. To the saints we give our veneration, called dulia. And to the blessed Virgin we give special veneration, called hyperdulia, because she's above all angels and saints as the Mother of God. However not even Mary can be adored or worshiped - we only adore God.

We show honor to God when we venerate those to whom was granted Grace to resemble Him"
Edit: Also, just wanted to add that the Jesus prayer as Andrew mentioned is great as well. There are meditations you can do on each individual word/ phrase of the Jesus prayer, and a lot has been written about that prayer, particularly by the monks at Mount Athos.

Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.
 
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In the first few centuries of Christianity there were hermit monks

There are no such things as "monks" in Christianity.

There are "monks" in the pagan religions of Buddhism and Hinduism.

That's where Roman catholics and Orthodox catholics took a lot of their pagan beliefs and rituals from.

Catholicism is just warmed-over paganism with a Christian label slapped on top of it.


For instance, Roman catholics just took the Roman pagan gods -- slapped a coat of paint on them -- and called them "Saintsβ„’".

Today, if you're a catholic going on an ocean trip -- instead of praying to the pagan god, Neptune -- you pray to the pagan god "Saintβ„’ Brendan".


Roman catholic pagans bow down and pray to pagan idols, just as the previous incarnation of Roman pagans bowed down and prayed to pagan idols.

The catholic cult is a pagan, idol-worshipping, false religion -- and they know it.


"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. -- Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them.." -- Exodus 20 4-5


Some notes about the Hail Mary:

Hail Mary full of grace the Lord is with thee; blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.

Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen.


The prayer has two parts: part one is prayer of praise, part 2 is a prayer of petition.

Part 1, the prayer of praise, was written from the archangel Gabriel to Mary, and the words of St. Elizabeth to Mary. ( Luke 1:28 & Luke 1:42)

Part 2, the prayer of petition, was written by the Church, to ask for Mary's intercession.

Part 1 of the "Hail Maryβ„’" are just a couple of things that were said to Mary -- they weren't meant as magical phrases to be chanted.

Part 2 of the "Hail Maryβ„’" is just a blasphemous, Mary-worshipping phrase that was invented by the catholic cult.


And "Rosary Beadsβ„’" are just a another pagan, good-luck charm that catholics carry around.

Pagan religions have been carrying around the exact same, good-luck "prayer beads" for thousands of years before the catholic cult was invented.

The same, magical prayer-beads are used by Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, Sikhism, and countless other pagan religions.

They all use them when they endlessly chant their magical phrases -- just like the catholic cult does.

Just more, basic-bitch, sorcery and witchcraft.


No Christian uses prayer beads to help him engage in endless, vain repetitions β€” because Jesus explicitly commanded us not to.


"But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking." -- Matthew 6:7


Every time a catholic picks up his string of pagan beads and starts chanting magic phrases and blasphemous prayers to Mary β€” God puts His fingers in His ears.

Catholics might as well be praying to the Tooth-Fairy or Spiderman.


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No Christian uses prayer beads to help him engage in endless, vain repetitions β€” because the Bible explicitly condemns this.


"But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking." -- Matthew 6:7
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A contrite prayer is not vain.

In the Psalms the words "His mercy endureth forever" are repeated in the same psalm as many as 27 times

The angels song of "Holy Holy Holy, Lord God of hosts" is unceasing

And Our Lord Jesus himself repeated His prayer in the garden.

"Pray without ceasing" 1 Thess 5:17

There are no such things as "monks" in Christianity.
Then who are all these people?
Carthusians:
Russian Monks:
Orthodox monks at Mount Athos:
Benedictines:
Trappists:
Dominicans:
https://youtu.be/9iubcVp-hmE
Franciscans:
https://youtu.be/8lytTOTnrrE
 

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"But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking." -- Matthew 6:7
Reposting because I've already debunked his garbage JEWISH translations of the Bible
I'll bite a little on something. Nothing is wrong with repetitive prayer. The King James Protestant version says "vain repetitions" in Matthew chapter 6 verse 7. But the Douay Rheims (official Catholic Bible), which came out earlier than the King James, has the correct translation. It is "meaningless words", or...overspeaking, stammering, babbling, saying a bunch of nonsense. The translations comes from the greek words battos and logos. Battos in Greak means to stammer. Logos means to speak. The translation you are using is a bad translation. All King James bibles are bad translations. The Gospel is just saying to not be overly verbose with your prayer. You are not going to impress God by overspeaking and saying a lot of words.

Furthermore, if thats not enough to convince you, which I mean, it frankly is, but if not, repetition is found all throughout the bible. Psalm 136


Also Book of Revelation Chapter 4 verse 8.

So here we have angels in heaven, day and night, non stop, presumably for eternity singing to Jesus. If repetition is against God's commandments why would the angels in heaven be worshiping the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost over and over and over for eternity?
 

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And again, the distinction has to be drawn between what the church permits and what the church requires.

Things like sacramentals(holy water), blessed objects of devotion(candles, rosaries, crucifixes), or other practices of devotion ( the way of the cross, novenas, pilgrimages) are all permitted but not required.

Wouldn't you expect that a 2000 year old global tradition would have a lot of tools in the tool belt to help you on your spiritual journey? It would be weird if it were completley one-size-fits-all. (There's only one truth in Christ and so many paths point towards it.)

If there are certain Catholic practices you do not care for, and do not aid in your spiritual growth, then you never need to do them.

But it is a legitimate criticism to say that there may be some Catholics who do not properly use the tools available and are sometimes misguided.

The proper use of any prayer related to a saint or things like the rosary should all point back towards God ( in any form of the Trinity).

Any admiration for a saint should only ever be because we admire the way that God worked in their life and we aspire to have a similar outcome in our own life. By venerating the saints we honor God himself who is the cause of their holiness. Without the help of God, they would not have done anything holy.
 

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In the Psalms the words "His mercy endureth forever" are repeated in the same psalm as many as 27 times

That's because the Book of Psalms is a bunch of songs, dummy.

That's why the word "sing" is used more times, by far, in the Book of Psalms that any other Book in the Bible.


The angels song of "Holy Holy Holy, Lord God of hosts" is unceasing

God created those angels to do that very thing.

And you're not an angel in Heaven -- far from it.


"Pray without ceasing" 1 Thess 5:17

Yes -- pray without ceasing.

That doesn't mean repeating the same thing over and over again until it loses all meaning.

Jesus, Himself, told us not to do that.


"But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking." -- Matthew 6:7


You catholics simply hate everything that Jesus said -- and will fight against Him until the end of time to defend the made-up traditions of your cult.



β€œBut he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?” β€” Matthew 15:1-3
 

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That's because the Book of Psalms is a bunch of songs, dummy.

That's why the word "sing" is used more times, by far, in the Book of Psalms that any other Book in the Bible.





God created those angels to do that very thing.

And you're not an angel in Heaven -- far from it.





Yes -- pray without ceasing.

That doesn't mean repeating the same thing over and over again until it loses all meaning.

Jesus, Himself, told us not to do that.


"But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking." -- Matthew 6:7


You catholics simply hate everything that Jesus said -- and will fight against Him until the end of time to defend the made-up traditions of your cult.



β€œBut he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?” β€” Matthew 15:1-3
Songs are prayers too and yes they repeat.

Catholics do love what Jesus said and the whole religion is based off of what he said.

Did you happen to pay attention when Jesus said this part?

John Chapter 6
Verse:
35: Jesus said to them, β€œI am the bread of life; whoever comes to me will never hunger, and whoever believes in me will never thirst"
48: "I am the bread of life"
51: "I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world.”
52: The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, β€œHow can this man give us [his] flesh to eat?”
53: Jesus said to them, β€œAmen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.
54: Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.
55: For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.
56: Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.
 

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Reposting because I've already debunked his garbage JEWISH translations of the Bible

lol -- Opposite.

Like I said before -- the Douay Rheims Bible, that was published a few years before the King James Bible, was such a terrible translation that they threw the entire thing in the trash and started over.

The new Douay Rheims Bible wasn't published until over a hundred years later, in 1750 -- and they created the new Bible by stealing the translation from the King James Bible, and then changed any scripture that obviously exposed the catholic cult as a fraud.


The catholic cult has a long history of changing the Bible to conform with the man-made teachings of their cult.


And, yes -- Jesus explicitly condemns the catholic cult's practice of chanting prayers over and over again.


"But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking." -- Matthew 6:7


And, no amount of catholic pilpul is going to change that.

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Catholics do love what Jesus said and the whole religion is based off of what he said.

The catholic cult is based on doing the exact OPPOSITE of what Jesus commanded.


- Jesus said not to call religious leaders "Father". -- Catholics do this. -- Even "Pope" means "Father". -- Matthew 23:8-9

- Jesus said not to repeat prayers over and over again. -- Catholics do this. -- Matthew 6:7

- Jesus condemns religious leaders who wear long robes. -- Catholics do this. -- Luke 20:46

- Jesus condemns telling people to abstain from eating meats. -- Catholics do this. -- 1 Timothy 4:3

- Jesus condemns forbidding religious leaders to get married. -- Catholics do this. -- 1 Timothy 4:3

- Jesus condemns teaching man-made traditions as doctrine. -- Catholics do this. -- Matthew 15:9 -- Mark 7:7

- Jesus taught that salvation is through faith. -- Catholics teach that salvation is through works and rituals. -- Ephesians 2:8-9 etc. etc. etc.

- God forbids making idols and graven images, or bowing down to them. -- Catholics do this. -- Exodus 20 4-5

- God forbids sorcery and witchcraft. -- Catholics do this. -- Revelation 21:8 etc.

- God forbids attempting to communicate with people who have died. -- Catholics do this. -- Deuteronomy 18:11


And on, and on, and on, and on...

It's almost impossible to read a few pages of the Bible without accidentally bumping into a verse that condemns some teaching of the catholic cult.

That's exactly why the catholic cult used to torture and murder people for reading the Bible.

That's exactly why the catholic cult has always burned Bibles -- even in America.

And they would still be doing it today, if they had the power.

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I told you guys there's no point arguing with Flash. He just ignores basic, provable truths and repeats the same arguments ad infinitum.

There's no point in arguing with catholic cultists.

They hate the Bible -- hate the Gospel -- and hate the teachings of Jesus Christ.

They just repeat the same disproven lies created by their cult leaders.

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Yeah to me that's what it's really all about right there in that meme. We have a track-record now of centuries of Protestantism versus centuries of Catholicism to judge by what's going to best advantage a civilization - particularly Euro civilization - and the results aren't even close if one is just judging objectively from the outside looking inward at both- at all forms of Christian religion.

Flash likes to appeal to the Bible and having the "truth", but the thing is all religions and all sects within Christianity equally claim this same "truth" themselves. And there is no sect within Christianity that thinks they actively go against the Bible either. These are mere strawmen leveled by each sect's opponents. So when Flash throws these periodic forum fits in regard to these main points, he's not claiming anything at all that any other faction of Christianity doesn't already equally claim for themselves.

This is why to me at least all arguments deriving from either the Bible or "truth" are moot points at best. Because all sides claim these same "truths" and claim to follow the Bible to the best of their ability. An outsider looking inward at all the thousands of Christian sects can easily verify this objectively. And the only people who still fail to see this reality are those on the inside of any single sect currently dogmatically believing that they (and only they) have the monopoly upon either "truth" or the Bible.

It's really just absurd that we still have these arguments- which in the long-run only serve to further disintegrate or further schism Christianity totally.

Which brings me to my last point. Flash would suggest that his side having the "truth" or following the Bible better or whatever trumps the objective results of each faction as demonstrated upon in your simple meme. He would say that the "path is narrow", etc, etc, and therefore imply that it's much better from his standpoint if only one individual ever makes it to Heaven so long as that one individual possesses "truth" and follows Flash's specific rules for Bible interpretation and exegesis. Meanwhile, an entire civilization gets genocided off in the process here obviously. It's more important in Flash's eyes for that single man to enter Heaven allegedly than for his larger civilization to survive in the long-run. And his attitude and interpretation backs all of this up accordingly.

Flash will begrudge those of us for considering each faction of Christianity in terms of how that faction does or does not perpetuate Euro civilization and stability, but what good is the proper religion in the first place if the entire civilization is long genocided in the process of accepting its "truth" or its particular manner of Biblical interpretation and exegesis? Answer: that religion even if "true" is meaningless if genocided. I do not believe that God wants us genocided, however if He did He'd have us practicing our own individual form of Protestantism accordingly to hasten that process.

Anybody can hide behind words like the "truth" especially in religious settings, but this is never a real argument against the next guy or the next sect in reality, because the next sect equally claims this same "truth" themselves. It's a moot point and a waste of time to argue in this direction. That's why eventually in these types of arguments one has to look at the real-world results of each sect in order to judge them by their respective fruits individually.

And the "truth" is that Protestantism's "every man his own Church" philosophy leads within a few centuries to complete atomization and disintegration of Christianity entirely. As Anglin has said, it is not a form that can be passed down successively through new generations. America proves this as does the entire Anglo and Protestant spheres of influence. These are the most atheist and anti-Christian places currently. Meanwhile the Catholic zones have passed their own religion onward in tact while still adhering to centuries- no millennia- of tradition and heritage.

Protestantism only promotes atomization one individual at a time. Flash is a good example of why this is the case.
 

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Jesus said not to repeat prayers over and over again. -- Catholics do this. -- Matthew 6:7
"Now we pray, as Jesus taught his disciples to pray:

Our Father, Who art in Heaven..."

Is that pagan heresy too, Flash?
 

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"Now we pray, as Jesus taught his disciples to pray:

Our Father, Who art in Heaven..."

Is that pagan heresy too, Flash?

This is a perfect example of the fact that non-Christians can't understand the simplest verses in the Bible.


In Matthew 6:7, Jesus tells people not to repeat the same prayer over and over again.

Right after that, Jesus gives AN EXAMPLE of the type of prayer that people should pray, instead of repeating the same prayer over and over again.


So, what do the catholics do?

In the depths of their ignorance, catholics take the EXAMPLE PRAYER that Jesus gave as a basic template -- AND REPEAT IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN!

Which is exactly what Jesus just told them not to do ! -- only two verses before !


That's why, right before Jesus says His "Our Father, Who art in Heaven" prayer, He says "pray in this manner". -- He doesn't say, "Repeat this prayer."

BECAUSE HE JUST TOLD EVERYONE NOT TO DO THAT !


Even worse -- catholics believe that chanting this prayer over and over again will remove their sins !

Pagan insanity !


I guess it really doesn't matter that catholics never read the Bible -- because, when they do read it, they don't understand it anyway.

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Flash will begrudge those of us for considering each faction of Christianity in terms of how that faction does or does not perpetuate Euro civilization and stability, but what good is the proper religion in the first place if the entire civilization is long genocided in the process of accepting its "truth" or its particular manner of Biblical interpretation and exegesis? Answer: that religion even if "true" is meaningless if genocided.

At least you admitted that you don't care if a religion is true or not.

You only care if that religion helps accomplish whatever political goals you have.

And it's no surprise that the catholics agree with you.

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Umm why are you so obsessed with works?

Another catholic cultist shows up to defend the torture and slaughter of Christians.

There's a very special place in Hell for you people.

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When I say that Flash and Stephen Anderson type prots ignore basic, provable truths I'm not even referring to theological differences. I'm talking about patently false arguments that Catholics worship Mary or that we pray to statues. We do not worship Mary. The Church does not and has never taught that Mary is to be worshipped, in fact that is a recognized heresy called Collyridianism. We do not pray to statues. Statues simply serve as visual reminders of the Saints and their most holy lives. We honor (not worship) those Saints. We don't honor the statues. Kneeling before a statue to pray doesn't mean you're praying to the statue, just like praying with a Bible in your hands doesn't mean you're praying to a book. You can (wrongly) argue theology from a prot perspective without resorting to obvious slander. I can understand believing these things if you're raised in an anti-Catholic prot community and have never actually spoken to Catholics or done any research yourself, but once that ignorance is broken you're now guilty of the sin of calumny.

Further, I don't agree with your notion that one should pick a "sect" or religion that you think is simply better for your worldly ideal of preserving Western civilization. Have you considered that the reason Catholicism emerges as the best choice for that in your mind is that it IS the one true religion? Most Christians who are as well read on the subject as I know you are inevitably come to that conclusion, or at least Orthodoxy (still wrong, sorry orthobros). Ignorance of early Christianity and the Church Fathers is why most prots remain prots. Well, that and family/community pressures. It's no surprise that - as Anglin says - there are no serious protestant intellectuals because once you start reading the Church Fathers and researching the history of Christianity it's very hard for a rational man to remain a protestant and even harder to argue for it in a scholarly manner. However you may view it, there is only one Truth and we absolutely should argue for it. If a prot believes he has the fullness of the truth and is willing to debate it in good faith, then he should and I welcome it. Someone who is honestly seeking the truth will eventually find it. Flash is an example of someone who is NOT seeking the truth. He is so full of pride that he thinks he has all the answers. Similarly, I've debated protestants who are very cordial and not anti-Catholic, accept that we don't worship Mary or statues, but will not look beyond Pastor Tim's interpretation of their King James Bible for anything. They won't read the Church Fathers and they'll handwave away any reference to their clearly Catholic beliefs as forgeries or something equally ridiculous. Disregarding the historical accounts of the earliest Christians after the Apostles - before we even had the Bible collated by the Catholic Church - is folly. Christ did not write a book. He created a Church. He left behind men who He imbued with the power to do His Works and spread His Word and to pass that power on to the men who would follow them.

 

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Kneeling before a statue to pray doesn't mean you're praying to the statue

"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. -- Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them.." -- Exodus 20 4-5


What part of "Don't make graven images" and "Don't bow down to them" do you not understand?


We do not worship Mary.

Yes you do.


"O Lady, since thou art the dispenser of all graces, and since the grace of salvation can come only through thy hands, our salvation depends on thee."
β€” St. Bernardine of Siena

"O Most Holy Virgin, receive us under thy protection if thou wouldst see us saved, for we have no hope of salvation but through thy means." β€” St. Ephrem

"O my sweet Mother Mary, I consign my soul to you; have pity on me and save me."
β€” St. Alphonsus Maria Liguori

"Through thee, O Holy Virgin, Heaven was populated, Hell emptied, and the ruins of the heavenly Jerusalem rebuilt!"
-- St. Bernard

"Answer, then, O Sacred Virgin! Why do you delay the salvation of the world, which depends upon your consent?"
-- St. Augustine

"O salvation of all who call upon thee, save me!"
-- St. Bonaventure

"Pure and Immaculate Virgin, save me and deliver me from eternal damnation."
-- St. John Damascene



Not only are these esteemed catholic cult-leaders worshipping Mary, they’re exposing that your catholic cult teaches that their female goddess is the one who forgives sins and saves people from Hell.

Utter blasphemy.

The Bible says that Jesus is our only mediator to God.


β€œFor there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus” β€” 1 Timothy 2:5


And here's a catholic, Mary-worshipper from this very forum:

I've never understood the idea that Mary, Mother of God, is not worthy of worship.

And look who up-voted that Mary-worshipping comment... You.

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No Christian would ever make the statement -- or agree with the statement -- that anyone should be worshipped, other than God and Christ.


But in reality, you catholics aren’t even really worshipping Mary β€” you're worshipping a pagan female goddess that you call β€œThe Queen of Heaven”.

It’s the exact same female goddess that the pagans worshiped, thousands of years ago, in the Old Testament.


"We will surely perform our vows that we have vowed, to burn incense to the queen of heaven" -- Jeremiah 44:25


All pagans create female goddesses to worship.


So, yeah -- this proves that you're just a liar.

The entire catholic cult is built on lies.

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The word worship (Saxon weorthscipe, "honour"; from worth, meaning "value", "dignity", "price", and the termination, ship; Latin cultus) in its most general sense is homage paid to a person or a thing. In this sense we may speak of hero-worship, worship of the emperor, of demons, of the angels, even of relics, and especially of the Cross. This article will deal with Christian worship according to the following definition: homage paid to God, to Jesus Christ, to His saints, to the beings or even to the objects which have a special relation to God.

There are several degrees of this worship:

  • if it is addressed directly to God, it is superior, absolute, supreme worship, or worship of adoration, or, according to the consecrated theological term, a worship of latria. This sovereign worship is due to God alone; addressed to a creature it would become idolatry.
  • When worship is addressed only indirectly to God, that is, when its object is the veneration of martyrs, of angels, or of saints, it is a subordinate worship dependent on the first, and relative, in so far as it honours the creatures of God for their peculiar relations with Him; it is designated by theologians as the worship of dulia, a term denoting servitude, and implying, when used to signify our worship of distinguished servants of God, that their service to Him is their title to our veneration (cf. Chollet, loc. cit., col. 2407, and Bouquillon, Tractatus de virtute religionis, I, Bruges, 1880, 22 sq.).
  • As the Blessed Virgin has a separate and absolutely supereminent rank among the saints, the worship paid to her is called hyperdulia (for the meaning and history of these terms see Suicer, Thesaurus ecclesiasticus, 1728).
In accordance with these principles it will readily be understood that a certain worship may be offered even to inanimate objects, such as the relics of a martyr, the Cross of Christ, the Crown of Thorns, or even the statue or picture of a saint. There is here no confusion or danger of idolatry, for this worship is subordinate or dependent. The relic of the saint is venerated because of the link which unites it with the person who is adored or venerated; while the statue or picture is regarded as having a conventional relation to a person who has a right to our homage β€” as being a symbol which reminds us of that person (see Vacant, Diet de thΓ©ol. cath., s.v. Adoration, and authors cited in bibliography; also ADORATION; IDOLATRY; IMAGES; DEVOTION TO THE BLESSED VIRGIN MARY).
It's a matter of semantics. Protestants only understand worship to mean the worship due to God and in that regard we do not worship Mary, so it is simpler to say just that.


Latria is sacrificial in character, and may be offered only to God. Catholics offer other degrees of reverence to the Blessed Virgin Mary and to the Saints; these non-sacrificial types of reverence are called Hyperdulia and Dulia, respectively. Hyperdulia is essentially a heightened degree of dulia provided only to the Blessed Virgin. This distinction, written about as early as Augustine of Hippo and St Jerome, was detailed more explicitly by Thomas Aquinas in his Summa Theologiae, A.D. 1270, II II, 84, 1: β€œReverence is due to God on account of His Excellence, which is communicated to certain creatures not in equal measure, but according to a measure of proportion; and so the reverence which we pay to God, and which belongs to latria, differs from the reverence which we pay to certain excellent creatures; this belongs to dulia, and we shall speak of it further on (II II 103 3)”; in this next article St. Thomas Aquinas writes: β€œWherefore dulia, which pays due service to a human lord, is a distinct virtue from latria, which pays due service to the Lordship of God. It is, moreover, a species of observance, because by observance we honor all those who excel in dignity, while dulia properly speaking is the reverence of servants for their master, dulia being the Greek for servitude.” From St. Thomas it is apparent that a clear distinction exists among latria and forms of dulia within Catholic theology.
Mary is the Queen of Heaven, but she is not a goddess.
 
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