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Fair enough - I bought the full CD set of "Fathers" from NewAdvent.org 20 years ago and looked up hundreds of citations and read huge amount of their writings along the way I did this while reading all the Councils of the church from Nicea to Vat 2 by Tanner - cover to cover- took nearly a year or more; I read all of Denzinger - sources of cath dogma cover to cover (its one of the most cited sources for papal authority) and also the Summa Theologica 3 volume unabridged by Aquinas in the same manner (i.e looking up hundreds of citations )-- and no you are right- not cover to cover on the fathers or on Aquinas - but literally thousands of pages just using them as references for verifying hundreds of citations being made in the Catechism of Council of Trent and the Catechism of The Church which came out after Vatican II along with Ecumenical Councils 2 volume by Tanner mentioned above. And many other such books over these past 20 yrs- but admittedly I have not read the complete works of all the church fathers; My only point is I have enough of a background to look at their doctrinal claims seriously -- I meant to claim nothing more than that; and as a side note the CI people spend a lot of time discounting the writings of many church fathers at variance with their doctrines.

I'm totally open to learning about that
I pledge no allegiance to them have given no support to them
I would very much want to know about it being created by the FBI or whomever

whatever sources you read that led you to this conclusion I would be very interested in reading and learning. I would block off any amount of time to obtain it and read it. I am open to reading any work by anyone who has done a serious debunk. I am not a member of this 'cult'. I have searched out a few of fincks detractors and read their essays. I am totally open to looking at more.

I am trying to stay with substantive claims from scripture/history/migrations etc
with all due respect I am trying to stay clear ad hominem/ad populum arguments etc from either side - you or them
Okay.

It's not literally founded by FBI agents, it's a spin-off of British Israel, but they added a bunch of even dumber stuff. The only popularity it has had has been among prison gangs, and they teach the Talmud.

It's disgusting. The people who follow it are gross morons and entryist harassers. Christian Identity is boomer Kiwi Farms.

I'm not going to write about it and I don't want to talk about it. I don't even want to think about it.
 

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Okay.

It's not literally founded by FBI agents, it's a spin-off of British Israel, but they added a bunch of even dumber stuff. The only popularity it has had has been among prison gangs, and they teach the Talmud.

It's disgusting. The people who follow it are gross morons and entryist harassers. Christian Identity is boomer Kiwi Farms.

I'm not going to write about it and I don't want to talk about it. I don't even want to think about it.
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I'll tell you this Pen, the whole "British Israel" aspect of Protestantism I see as a potentially dangerous phenomenon. Anglin's right in that the late 19th Century version of this religion eventually opened the way towards today's Christian Identity, but it also had massive influences upon things like American Evangelicalism too.

A good book that I'd recommend for you is Achsah Guibbory's recent Christian Identity: Jews & Israel in Seventeenth-Century England. And I suggest this one because mainly it shows the religious transition in England from the early Tudors until well into the Stuart dynasty, it shows why the more Puritan and Presbyterian minded sects of the time were internalizing so much of the OT narrative, symbolism, and iconography as their own history and identity, and lastly it shows why this latter aspect served towards the disintegration of Christianity as a whole by the beginning of the 18th Century.

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I read it myself 6 months or so ago and really enjoyed it. It gave me a sort of paradigm to place all these other topics inside properly including Christian Identity, Puritanism, Calvinism, Presbyterianism, the English Civil War, the colonial era of America and its own religious backdrop, as well as its religious and cultural implications up into today's time.
 
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At least Fash just denounced the Saints as evil, while claiming the existence of a secret different religion.

There are no such thing as "Saintsβ„’" in the Bible.

There are "saints".

In the Bible, a "saint" is anyone who has put his faith in Christ and become a child of God.

Every Christian is a "saint".

The catholic cult invented the official designation "Saintβ„’" to slap in front of certain historical figures' names to imply some form of "extra holiness", or infallibility.

Without question, a bunch of those catholic "Saintsβ„’" are in Hell -- especially the Popesβ„’.

The catholic cult also likes to slap the designation "Saintβ„’" in front of the names of actual, historical Christians to make people believe that those Christians had some connection to the catholic cult.

"Saintβ„’ Paul" was not a catholic -- neither were any of the other apostles -- nor any other Christian.

If Paul was still alive, hundreds of years later, when the catholic cult was invented, the catholic cult would have tortured and executed him for heresy for preaching the Gospel of Christ.


Hilariously, the catholic cult got caught making up a bunch of "Saintsβ„’" that never even existed.

They finally had to come out and admit, "Yeah, we made them all up. Those weren't real people. We just invented them. Sorry, we lied to everybody -- lol"

Gee, I wonder what happened to all the prayers that all those catholics prayed to fake Saintsβ„’ as they bowed down to statues of them.


But, hey -- since every Christian is a saint, and since you're falling for all this catholic mumbo-jumbo, I demand that you henceforth refer to me as "Saint McQueen".



claiming the existence of a secret different religion.

I guess you're referring to that secret religion called "Christianity".

You know -- the religion that was persecuted by the Jews -- then the Roman pagan Empire -- then the Roman catholic pagan Empire.


If you're going to continue to make the ridiculous, catholic-bumper-sticker claim that "every Christian was catholic until the 1500s", then you're going to have to figure out a way to explain all those people that the catholic cult hunted, tortured, and executed for a thousand years because they dared to read and preach the Bible.

You're going to have to explain all the Christian churches, Christian writings, and Christian pastors that the catholic cult burned -- after the cult was given the state authority to do so with the Edict of Thessalonica in 380AD.

THE CATHOLIC CULT DEFENDS ALL THEIR TORTURES AND MURDERS TO THIS DAY!


Honestly, I just don't know how much longer I can go on with this.

If you can't recognize that the Roman catholic cult has been engaging in evil, anti-Christian behavior throughout their history, then there's something else going on with you.

If you can't recognize that the catholic cult's teachings of salvation is diametrically opposed to the clear, simple Gospel message in the Bible -- then I just don't know what to say anymore.


But to get a little more serious for a moment...


I honestly believe that you don't like Christianity because there were people in your past, who called themselves "Christians", and they hurt you.

I'm not even trying to psychoanalyze you here -- you've basically said as much yourself.

It's common among atheists that they hate Christianity because of something done to them in their past by a person purporting to be a Christian.

I think you don't like the simple, Biblical Gospel of salvation through faith Christ because you believe that it gave people a license to hurt you or your family.

But it's irrational to reject the clear Gospel message of the Bible because of the behavior of sinful, fallible human beings.

If the people who hurt you were actual Christians, then God will punish them in this life. And He'll punish them more than He would punish a non-Christian -- because they should know better. -- But those Christians are sill going to Heaven.

I think you don't like the Gospel of Christ because there are people who you want to go to Hell.

And, if the Gospel message of faith in Christ is true, then the Christians who did those horrible things are going to Heaven anyway -- and you don't like the thought of that.

You've said many things that give me this impression.

You don't like the Gospel of faith in Christ because you don't like the idea of a "get out of jail free card".

Well, that's exactly what salvation through faith in Christ is -- a "get out of jail free card."

And, without that card, every human who has ever lived would be going to jail. -- Yes, even you.

Everyone thinks that other peoples' sins are worse than their own.

"Why should that terrible person be allowed to go to Heaven when I'm over here working my butt off to be a nice guy?!"

If that's kind of the way you feel about it, you're not alone. -- It's human nature to think like that. -- Jesus knew that people would think that way, which is why He addressed that complaint with the Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard, in Matthew 20. -- You should read it.


You may think you're a good guy, but the sins that you have committed, Andrew Anglin, have guaranteed you a one-way ticket to Hell.

And there's nothing you can do about it.

No matter how "honorable" you think you might be, or how many "righteous" actions you think you're engaging in -- they're not enough to save you from the destination that you deserve -- which is Hell.

You can join the catholic cult and confess all your intimate sins to a sodomite in a dress -- perform rituals -- chant endless prayers and incantations -- engage in sorcery -- pray to idols -- burn incense -- and drown yourself with magical water until you're soaked to the gills -- and it will still never be enough to remove one tiny sin from your balance sheet.

You'll just be wasting your time -- and a lot of water.

Your destination is Hell -- and you deserve it.

We all deserve it.


"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" -- Romans 3:23


Without a "get out of jail free card" you are doomed for eternity.

But, fortunately for you, Anglin -- and all of the rest of us -- God has provided us with a "get out of jail free card" -- and all we have to do is accept it.

And the most significant word here is "free".

"For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." -- Romans 6:23


"Free" seems to be the word you have a problem with -- but if salvation through Christ wasn't free, then we'd all go to Hell -- Guaranteed.

Your objection to salvation being a "free gift" isn't a fight against me, or 'protestants' -- it's a fight against the clear words of the Bible, itself.

You simply don't like what the Bible says -- and you want it to say something else.

But it doesn't say something else.

The Bible says what it says -- and it says it over and over again.


β€œFor by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Not of works, lest any man should boast.”
β€” Ephesians 2:8-9


All that being said...


I truly pray that you will accept God's free gift today and become a Christian, Anglin.

There is no magic phrase that you have to say to God to be saved.

Just pray to God, and tell Him in your own words, that you are making the decision, today, to place your entire faith in Christ's sacrifice on the Cross for your salvation. -- Tell Him that you are accepting His free gift that He has promised in His Word is available to you. -- Tell Him that you accept the fact that there is nothing that you can do, under your own power, to earn your salvation. -- Tell Him that you are making the decision to place your eternal destiny in His hands, alone.

Say it any way you like -- or don't say anything at all -- it doesn't really matter.

God knows your heart, and if you are sincere, He will know it.

If you pray a prayer like this, and truly mean it, God will not ignore you.

Of course, if you simply reject that Christ paid the full price for your sins, then no formulation of words to God is going to do anything for you.

And, only you and God know your heart and mind on that subject.



The only thing I can tell you is that God is waiting for you to accept his free gift of salvation.

All you have to do is open the door and take it.


"Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me." -- Revelation 3:20
 

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I'll tell you this Pen, the whole "British Israel" aspect of Protestantism I see as a potentially dangerous phenomenon. Anglin's right in that the 18-19th Century version of this religion eventually opened the way towards today's Christian Identity, but it also had massive influences upon things like American Evangelicalism too.

A good book that I'd recommend for you is Achsah Guibbory's recent Christian Identity: Jews & Israel in Seventeenth-Century England. And I suggest this one because mainly it shows the religious transition in England from the early Tudors until well into the Stuart dynasty, it shows why the more Puritan and Presbyterian minded sects of the time were internalizing so much of the OT narrative, symbolism, and iconography as their own history and identity, and lastly it shows why this latter aspect served towards the disintegration of Christianity as a whole by the beginning of the 18th Century.

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thanks for that book recommendation; fyi. Part of my research was of British Isreal; I saw immediately the Jewish character and literal Jewish participation within it. A definite red giant flag. One which the sprawling hierarchy of the RC church and most other large christian churches also suffer from current year. In and of itself -strictly speaking-not an absolute disqualifier but given the state we are in one finds oneself searching in the strangest places for answers.
 

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I've asked why protestants use the Catholic Bible if Catholicism is a satanic cult. These are very basic questions which a lot of people ask.
I've answered these questions over and over again -- I'm tired of it.
You answered it already and it's so simple you can't answer it again.

I don't believe you answered it

From one year ago:

What is your response to the fact that Catholics created the bible?
My response is that it's one the biggest loads of bunk that catholic cultists promote.

Christians have been studying the books of scripture since the moment that each of them was written.

And none of them were written by catholic pagans. -- They were all written by Christians.

But catholics will continually screech, "Catholics created the Bible!" -- "Catholics gave the Bible to the world!".

They parrot these phrases to intentionally deceive naive people into believing that they have some authorship of the scriptures -- based on the claim that they were the first to think of putting all the books into a binder.

This is delusional.

It's the same thing as me putting all the Harry Potter books together in a binder and claiming, "I created Harry Potter!" -- "I gave Harry Potter to the world!"


I'd say, a man who has a much better claim of attempting to "give the Bible to the world" was William Tyndale.

He was the first to translate the original scriptures into English.

Of course, for his attempt to "give the Bible to the world" he was convicted of heresy, tortured, strangulated, and burned at the stake by the blood-thirsty, pagan, catholic cult -- just as they've done to millions of other Christians over the centuries.


So, no -- of course catholics didn't create the Bible.

Catholics hate the Bible.

how it is that there was only Catholicism from the 4th century to the 16th century if Catholicism is an evil satanic cult.

From one year ago:

Okay β€” let’s use your catholic copy-pasta here to show everyone how catholics are forced to use semantic deception, word games, and flat-out lies in order to defend the teachings of their Roman pagan cult.

Let’s look at your first copy-pasta question that you copied from a catholic-apologist website:

"Can you name one Christian who believed as you do in the first 1,000 years of Christianity?"


Sure, but first answer this question:

β€œCan you name one Christian who ever wrote in opposition to trannies using women’s bathrooms in the first 1,000 years of Christianity?”

You can’t? β€” Why not?

You can’t, because no early Christian would have ever dreamed that such a ridiculous proposition would ever even exist.

It’s the same as expecting early Christians to write against the equally-ridiculous proposition that God’s Word teaches praying to dead people, bowing down to idols, and the creation of magic water by casting a spell on it.

The catholic cult didn’t start inventing it’s pagan, anti-Christians doctrines until the second half of the 4th Century β€” which is exactly when people started being imprisoned or executed for opposing the catholic cult β€” because the cult was made the state religion of the Roman Empire


β€”β€”β€”β€”β€”β€”β€”β€”β€”β€”β€”β€”β€”

Edict of Thessalonica, 380 A.D.

β€œWe order the followers of this law to embrace the name of Catholic Christians; but as for the others, since, in our judgment they are foolish madmen, we decree that they shall be branded with the ignominious name of heretics, and shall not presume to give to their conventicles the name of churches. β€” They will suffer.. the punishment of our authority which in accordance with the will of Heaven we shall decide to inflict.”

β€”β€”β€”β€”β€”β€”β€”β€”β€”β€”β€”β€”β€”β€”


So, after 380 A.D., the law was: β€œIf you don’t believe what the catholic cult tells you to believe, then you’re a heretic and you’re forbidden to have a church. β€” And we’re going to punish you in any way that we want to.”

And it only got worse from there.


All of this exposes the dishonesty and trickery of your catholic, copy-pasta question about Christian beliefs for the first 1000 years.

The Roman catholic cult made it illegal to oppose the pagan doctrines of their anti-Christian monstrosity for over a thousand years, under the threat of prison, torture, and death β€” and now, catholics have the nerve to demand that Christians show them any prominent Christian writers, philosophers, pastors, or churches from that same time period.

It’s just like the Jews who destroy the lives of anyone who opposes them β€” and then say, β€œSee, everyone agrees with us!”


But none of this really matters. β€” Every single one of the earliest Christian writers believed exactly as I believe.

You can find all of their names and writings bound together in a collected work called β€œThe New Testament”.

You catholics should try reading it sometime.
 
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thanks for that book recommendation; fyi. Part of my research was of British Isreal; I saw immediately the Jewish character and literal Jewish participation within it. A definite red giant flag. One which the sprawling hierarchy of the RC church and most other large christian churches also suffer from current year. In and of itself -strictly speaking-not an absolute disqualifier but given the state we are in one finds oneself searching in the strangest places for answers.
Yeah I wish I could just upload that book right into your consciousness, but failing that, I will just try to explain that during the Civil War period in England there was like this competition between religious groups- between the more Anglican and Conservative minded sects and the Puritan ones - to appropriate early Christian times not only after the Old Testament history but the period of early Christianity too as this "Babylonian Captivity" period, which essentially amounted to the fact that nothing prior to AD 1500 was valid within their Christian tradition. That's how Protestants originally gained authority. They just called any doctrine they didn't adhere to in the present part of the Christians' own "Babylonian Captivity" like it was an OT allegory.

To gain proper authority specifically over Rome, these groups reached back prior to when Rome even existed, which brought them into Israelite or Hebraic history, which was Biblical history that they were more familiar with due to the advance now in printing technology and the existence of vernacularized Bibles. And these Puritanical groups attempted to appropriate the OT history and identity as their own in order to undercut the history and authority of Rome- and of England under Rome for centuries. This whole process led eventually into today's Christian Identity, where Christians just assumed they were the characters from the OT, however there were a lot of other bumps along the way as well.

The fault that I ascribe the Puritans and the Christian Identists and other figures and sects of this tendency is that they attempt to decode the Old Testament in the absence of the New Testament basically. E. Michael Jones is good at showing this tendency, but the basic rule of thumb is that there needs to be a NT intermediary or some traditional intermediary between the person today attempting to interpret the OT and current day reality. Failing that, we get Jew-inspired revolution inevitably. And Jones is absolutely correct in this context.

The OT- especially the book of Exodus- is highly revolutionary as you can probably deduce on your own just by its internal narrative. Well, the Puritans and others highlighted Exodus and Revelation in their own time obviously because they saw Rome as the Egyptian Pharaoh and as the Anti-Christ. They insisted on interpreting this part of the OT allegorically while at all other parts insisting on strict literality within the Bible. This highly broke with former Christian tradition, which was anti-revolutionary up until this point.

Yet without proper hierarchy in the Church and its tradition, the Puritans were free to incorporate this new Christian identity accordingly, and it did a lot of damage within England and within Europe more generally. It set the stage for Christian disintegration as I call it, because Christians haven't been more divided ever than they are after this ultimatum provided by Puritan/Calvinist intellectualism.
 
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dude I really appreciate that summary.
Yeah I wish I could just upload that book right into your consciousness
me too. As soon as I responded to you I went to buy it; I saw a hard copy for $150 on Amazon and then I started searching the web for pdfs lol
 

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There are no such thing as "Saintsβ„’" in the Bible.

There are "saints".

In the Bible, a "saint" is anyone who has put his faith in Christ and become a child of God.

Every Christian is a "saint".

The catholic cult invented the official designation "Saintβ„’" to slap in front of certain historical figures' names to imply some form of "extra holiness", or infallibility.

Without question, a bunch of those catholic "Saintsβ„’" are in Hell -- especially the Popesβ„’.

The catholic cult also likes to slap the designation "Saintβ„’" in front of the names of actual, historical Christians to make people believe that those Christians had some connection to the catholic cult.

"Saintβ„’ Paul" was not a catholic -- neither were any of the other apostles -- nor any other Christian.

If Paul was still alive, hundreds of years later, when the catholic cult was invented, the catholic cult would have tortured and executed him for heresy for preaching the Gospel of Christ.


Hilariously, the catholic cult got caught making up a bunch of "Saintsβ„’" that never even existed.

They finally had to come out and admit, "Yeah, we made them all up. Those weren't real people. We just invented them. Sorry, we lied to everybody -- lol"

Gee, I wonder what happened to all the prayers that all those catholics prayed to fake Saintsβ„’ as they bowed down to statues of them.


But, hey -- since every Christian is a saint, and since you're falling for all this catholic mumbo-jumbo, I demand that you henceforth refer to me as "Saint McQueen".






I guess you're referring to that secret religion called "Christianity".

You know -- the religion that was persecuted by the Jews -- then the Roman pagan Empire -- then the Roman catholic pagan Empire.


If you're going to continue to make the ridiculous, catholic-bumper-sticker claim that "every Christian was catholic until the 1500s", then you're going to have to figure out a way to explain all those people that the catholic cult hunted, tortured, and executed for a thousand years because they dared to read and preach the Bible.

You're going to have to explain all the Christian churches, Christian writings, and Christian pastors that the catholic cult burned -- after the cult was given the state authority to do so with the Edict of Thessalonica in 380AD.

THE CATHOLIC CULT DEFENDS ALL THEIR TORTURES AND MURDERS TO THIS DAY!


Honestly, I just don't know how much longer I can go on with this.

If you can't recognize that the Roman catholic cult has been engaging in evil, anti-Christian behavior throughout their history, then there's something else going on with you.

If you can't recognize that the catholic cult's teachings of salvation is diametrically opposed to the clear, simple Gospel message in the Bible -- then I just don't know what to say anymore.


But to get a little more serious for a moment...


I honestly believe that you don't like Christianity because there were people in your past, who called themselves "Christians", and they hurt you.

I'm not even trying to psychoanalyze you here -- you've basically said as much yourself.

It's common among atheists that they hate Christianity because of something done to them in their past by a person purporting to be a Christian.

I think you don't like the simple, Biblical Gospel of salvation through faith Christ because you believe that it gave people a license to hurt you or your family.

But it's irrational to reject the clear Gospel message of the Bible because of the behavior of sinful, fallible human beings.

If the people who hurt you were actual Christians, then God will punish them in this life. And He'll punish them more than He would punish a non-Christian -- because they should know better. -- But those Christians are sill going to Heaven.

I think you don't like the Gospel of Christ because there are people who you want to go to Hell.

And, if the Gospel message of faith in Christ is true, then the Christians who did those horrible things are going to Heaven anyway -- and you don't like the thought of that.

You've said many things that give me this impression.

You don't like the Gospel of faith in Christ because you don't like the idea of a "get out of jail free card".

Well, that's exactly what salvation through faith in Christ is -- a "get out of jail free card."

And, without that card, every human who has ever lived would be going to jail. -- Yes, even you.

Everyone thinks that other peoples' sins are worse than their own.

"Why should that terrible person be allowed to go to Heaven when I'm over here working my butt off to be a nice guy?!"

If that's kind of the way you feel about it, you're not alone. -- It's human nature to think like that. -- Jesus knew that people would think that way, which is why He addressed that complaint with the Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard, in Matthew 20. -- You should read it.


You may think you're a good guy, but the sins that you have committed, Andrew Anglin, have guaranteed you a one-way ticket to Hell.

And there's nothing you can do about it.

No matter how "honorable" you think you might be, or how many "righteous" actions you think you're engaging in -- they're not enough to save you from the destination that you deserve -- which is Hell.

You can join the catholic cult and confess all your intimate sins to a sodomite in a dress -- perform rituals -- chant endless prayers and incantations -- engage in sorcery -- pray to idols -- burn incense -- and drown yourself with magical water until you're soaked to the gills -- and it will still never be enough to remove one tiny sin from your balance sheet.

You'll just be wasting your time -- and a lot of water.

Your destination is Hell -- and you deserve it.

We all deserve it.


"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" -- Romans 3:23


Without a "get out of jail free card" you are doomed for eternity.

But, fortunately for you, Anglin -- and all of the rest of us -- God has provided us with a "get out of jail free card" -- and all we have to do is accept it.

And the most significant word here is "free".

"For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." -- Romans 6:23


"Free" seems to be the word you have a problem with -- but if salvation through Christ wasn't free, then we'd all go to Hell -- Guaranteed.

Your objection to salvation being a "free gift" isn't a fight against me, or 'protestants' -- it's a fight against the clear words of the Bible, itself.

You simply don't like what the Bible says -- and you want it to say something else.

But it doesn't say something else.

The Bible says what it says -- and it says it over and over again.


β€œFor by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Not of works, lest any man should boast.”
β€” Ephesians 2:8-9


All that being said...


I truly pray that you will accept God's free gift today and become a Christian, Anglin.

There is no magic phrase that you have to say to God to be saved.

Just pray to God, and tell Him in your own words, that you are making the decision, today, to place your entire faith in Christ's sacrifice on the Cross for your salvation. -- Tell Him that you are accepting His free gift that He has promised in His Word is available to you. -- Tell Him that you accept the fact that there is nothing that you can do, under your own power, to earn your salvation. -- Tell Him that you are making the decision to place your eternal destiny in His hands, alone.

Say it any way you like -- or don't say anything at all -- it doesn't really matter.

God knows your heart, and if you are sincere, He will know it.

If you pray a prayer like this, and truly mean it, God will not ignore you.

Of course, if you simply reject that Christ paid the full price for your sins, then no formulation of words to God is going to do anything for you.

And, only you and God know your heart and mind on that subject.



The only thing I can tell you is that God is waiting for you to accept his free gift of salvation.

All you have to do is open the door and take it.


"Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me." -- Revelation 3:20
Your posts prove that the Catholics were correct in torturing and executing insane megalomaniacs who believed they were the only ones who could know Jesus. Your pride disgusts me.

EMJ's Jewish Revolutionary Spirit is a great cataloging of how messianic nutjobs like this have always brought chaos and destruction onto Christianity.
 
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Yea let's pretend you wouldn't slaughter Catholics if you were given the chance.

Once again, a catholic cult member reveals his Satanic, blood-thirsty mindset and projects it onto others.

You catholic cultists are really doing my job for me today.

Thanks, again.
 

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Once again, a catholic cult member reveals his Satanic, blood-thirsty mindset and projects it onto others.

You catholic cultists are really doing my job for me today.

Thanks, again.
You don't know the definition of a cult because if you did you'd realize you are in one.
 

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You don't know the definition of a cult because if you did you'd realize you are in one.

You catholic cult members engage in projection more than Jews.


-- The leader of a cult is a sodomite in a wizards costume who lives in a gaudy, pagan temple and claims to speak for God.

-- The leader of Christianity is Jesus Christ.


You'd better wake up, buddy.

Eternity is a very long time.

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You catholic cult members engage in projection more than Jews.


-- The leader of a cult is a sodomite in a wizards costume who lives in a gaudy, pagan temple and claims to speak for God.

-- The leader of Christianity is Jesus Christ.


You'd better wake up, buddy.

Eternity is a very long time.

.
That happens to be the largest Christian denomination on the planet, taking up 1/6 of the global population.

Cult : a relatively small group of peoplehaving religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister.

You're in a cult bro.
 

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go to heaven just because you said a magic prayer at some point in your life.
Literally no one is saying that but it says pretty clearly in Ephesians 2: 8-9 "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith- and this is not from yourselves, it is a gift of God- not by works, so that no one can boast". You might wish it didn't say it, you might not care that it says that, you may wish to believe that all non-Catholics are less faithful and devout than you and will burn in hell but there it is. It's been explained over and over in this thread to you and others and you guys just keep scoffing "Look at this prot-cuck, putting his faith in Jesus instead of his own works". And then you get all indignant when Flash tries to educate you. Tiresome.
 

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That happens to be the largest Christian denomination on the planet, taking up 1/6 of the global population.
Catholicism isn't a Christian denomination.

Neither is Mormonism.

Neither is Judaism.

Neither is Islam.


They're all Christian-based cults.


They all take Christian scriptures -- twist them -- and create a false religion out of them.


You're in a Satanic cult.

You'd better get out while you still can.

And, there's no such thing as "Purgatoryβ„’".

So, you're not going to get a second chance.

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Catholicism isn't a Christian denomination.

Neither is Mormonism.

Neither is Judaism.

Neither is Islam.


They're all Christian-based cults.


They all take Christian scriptures -- twist them -- and create a false religion out of them.


You're in a Satanic cult.

You'd better get out while you still can.

And, there's no such thing as "Purgatoryβ„’".

So, you're not going to get a second chance.

.
Yea except you meet the literal definition of a cultist.
 

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Literally no one is saying that but it says pretty clearly in Ephesians 2: 8-9 "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith- and this is not from yourselves, it is a gift of God- not by works, so that no one can boast". You might wish it didn't say it, you might not care that it says that, you may wish to believe that all non-Catholics are less faithful and devout than you and will burn in hell but there it is. It's been explained over and over in this thread to you and others and you guys just keep scoffing "Look at this prot-cuck, putting his faith in Jesus instead of his own works". And then you get all indignant when Flash tries to educate you. Tiresome.
Your head isn't on straight if Flash has actually convinced you of anything in this thread other than the fact that he is a mentally ill sociopath.
 

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Yea except you meet the literal definition of a cultist.

I swear, you catholic cultists engage in more projection than the local cineplex.


Every cult has a cult-leader who claims to speak for God.

I can show you a picture of your cult-leader.

Here he is:

Francis.jpg


But you can't show me a picture of my cult-leader -- because I don't have one.

My only leader is Jesus Christ.


At this point, you should really just log-off and take the L.


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Literally no one is saying that but it says pretty clearly in Ephesians 2: 8-9 "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith- and this is not from yourselves, it is a gift of God- not by works, so that no one can boast". You might wish it didn't say it, you might not care that it says that, you may wish to believe that all non-Catholics are less faithful and devout than you and will burn in hell but there it is. It's been explained over and over in this thread to you and others and you guys just keep scoffing "Look at this prot-cuck, putting his faith in Jesus instead of his own works". And then you get all indignant when Flash tries to educate you. Tiresome.
In Ephesians 2:10 it says God ordains us to to good works and in James 2:26 it's says Faith without works is dead. You need Faith and Works to be saved. The verse you cite says that you need faith to be saved, and that you can't get to heaven on good deeds alone. But it does not say faith alone will save you.
 

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In Ephesians 2:10 it says God ordains us to to good works and in James 2:26 it's says Faith without works is dead. You need Faith and Works to be saved. The verse you cite says that you need faith to be saved, and that you can't get to heaven on good deeds alone. But it does not say faith alone will save you.
John 3: 16 For God so loved the world that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

John 6: 47 I can assure you that anyone who believes has eternal life.
 

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