Classical music thread

Evgenij Mravinskij

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A thread for sharing and discussing classical music.

In times dark and lonely, I always have to remind myself to long for beauty. When just trying to live one's life has one dealing with ugliness on a daily basis, it is beauty that reminds us that this world, although it touches us and contaminates us, cannot corrupt us.

For me, classical music is where I look for beauty. Be it grandiose, tender, qrotesque... Music communicates to us a purity of experience no other medium can.

I'm surprised not to find a classical music thread on here! Perhaps I didn't look well enough? Either way, most people don't realise it, but music is one of the greatest gifts of western culture to the world. For all we know, the discoveries in western music, and the developments these discoveries on their turn made possible, are one of a kind. For example: just as without a spoken language, categorising concepts becomes difficult if not impossible, drastically limiting one's capacity to make sense of the world, so a sophisticated system of notation is a requirement to make possible the inquiry into harmony (the relation of notes) that has made modern music possible.

Anyone who's ever tried listening to oriental or otherwise traditional music knows it sounds... Different. It tends to be percussive, with little discernible or memorable melody. Above all it can be grating, tiring, to listen to. (((Scholars))) tell us that this is because we're not used to other tonal systems than our own, and ensure us that the noise of Japanese nōgaku is just as sophisticated as western music. Luckily, the Japanese themselves don't fall for such lies: they adore western classical music. So should we.

Interestingly even simple tunes like Frère Jacques can only be traced back to the 17th century. Couldn't they go further back than that? Probably. It seems unthinkable that they didn't. Except... If we go back a bit further, say to the 12th century, we find ourselves in a time where the relationship between notes is still being defined - go back a little more and it quickly becomes unlikely that a simple tune like Frère Jacques could have been thought up by anyone, as the grammar to do so hadn't yet been invented. We can't be sure, but it's very possible that until the rise of western man, no more than a millennium ago, all music everywhere sounded as foreign and amelodic as Gregorian chant, or the traditional music of all non-western cultures, still sounds today.

I could go on to talk about Schopenhauer, who saw music as the direct representation of the will - in another age he would have called music the art of God, which others have done. And it's no wonder: music is the only artform that does not directly represent the external world, so what does it represent?

Anyway, what I'm trying to communicate: it's hard to appreciate how special (western) music really is. Today music is everywhere, but if it weren't for the white man, those melodies and harmonies that have become - simply put - part of us, might not only have been absent, but unthinkable.

The history of classical music is thus really the history of all popular music. Which is why I'm opening this thread not with the great Beethoven, or the renowned Bach, but with a tune many an American would have known around the end of the 19th century, Dvořák's Humoresque no. 7. Although originally composed for piano, it's become a mainstay in violin repertoire.


Share what you're listening to! I'll try to update this thread semi-regularly.
 
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Debussy is kind of nice stuff but everytime it plays I get this nagging feeling of listening to a romanticist simp
 

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I'm on my phone at work, so I don't feel like posting video links, but Arvo Pärt is my favorite composer. He's a contemporary composer, but he has completely rejected the ugly degeneracy of modernism. He composes beautiful works, and is an Orthodox Christian. Many of his pieces are religious. It's truly sublime stuff. I'll post my favorite stuff tomorrow.
 

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Debussy is kind of nice stuff but everytime it plays I get this nagging feeling of listening to a romanticist simp
Honestly, he probably was. Also extremely xenophilic and frankly subversive. He was among those French that decided to leave all the established rules behind and reinvent the wheel at the end of the 19th century when all the arts suffered from identity crises. The result is a music that lacks the coherency of earlier composers' works.

That being said, Debussy has huge popular appeal. Not for his melody, or his structure, but for his 'colour'. His best known pieces are strings of beautiful sound that paint a picture like no other music does: it's a sensory experience.

La Fille aux Cheveux de Lin may be fun to share for the gamers here, who may recognise the starting melody. Close your eyes and see where the music takes you!


I'm on my phone at work, so I don't feel like posting video links, but Arvo Pärt is my favorite composer. He's a contemporary composer, but he has completely rejected the ugly degeneracy of modernism. He composes beautiful works, and is an Orthodox Christian. Many of his pieces are religious. It's truly sublime stuff. I'll post my favorite stuff tomorrow.
Looking forward to it!
 

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Heard this one back in 2014 and still gives some feels. Way hardcore back then.


Dad was a huge fan of Bach. All kids should get Qi energy from classical music before delving into the communally shared mishmash of brainmelting brainwash noise. We never apprecciate steak when all we want is sugar.
 

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Here are some of the most famous works from Pärt. Their my favorites too.


This one sounds really good at high volume.


His stuff is beautifully simplistic but still very powerful. It's hard for me to get into a lot of classical music, but his stuff struck me on the first listen.
 

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I love listening to EM Jones talk about music.

Not sure I've heard this one but its sorta rote for him when he does a riff on youtube.

He also sings his own irish diddys.
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I'm on my phone at work, so I don't feel like posting video links, but Arvo Pärt is my favorite composer. He's a contemporary composer, but he has completely rejected the ugly degeneracy of modernism. He composes beautiful works, and is an Orthodox Christian. Many of his pieces are religious. It's truly sublime stuff. I'll post my favorite stuff tomorrow.
Arvo Part and Gorecki are phenomenal "contemporary" classical composers. My two favorite all time composers.
 

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I love Erik Satie, and most of the things from the minimalist period. The gymnopedies and a glass of scotch in a quiet room are my key to decompressing.
 

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All kids should get Qi energy from classical music before delving into the communally shared mishmash of brainmelting brainwash noise. We never apprecciate steak when all we want is sugar.
Heheh, well put.

What's "claccical" mean? :unsure:
It means I can't type. Fixed.

So far you all certainly surprise me with your modern (entartete?) selections! Guess I'll use this chance to bring up the classics. And I have just the thing: ever notice that there are scores of videos of blacks reacting to Beethoven? Something something music universal language, something something Beethoven greatest composer. I dunno, videos like these make me smile:

 

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This thread made me remember something I haven't heard in a really long time.


I can't find the full album played by this guy on youtube, but it's on spotify, and it's fantastic. Some of my favorite stuff, and I forgot about it for years. Thanks for helping me rediscover it.
 

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Here are some of the most famous works from Pärt. Their my favorites too.


This one sounds really good at high volume.


His stuff is beautifully simplistic but still very powerful. It's hard for me to get into a lot of classical music, but his stuff struck me on the first listen.
Glad to see these here and meet a fellow Pärt fan! Here is one of my favorites- besides the ones you posted:


“My Heart’s in the Highlands”
 

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Glad to see these here and meet a fellow Pärt fan! Here is one of my favorites- besides the ones you posted:


“My Heart’s in the Highlands”
Thanks for posting that. I'd never heard that one. It's really good. I don't think there is anything Pärt has written that I dislike. Reminds of Dead Can Dance, which is technically neoclassical, so I'm going to post their stuff.
Truly beautiful, ethereal stuff.
 

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When it comes to classical, I like a lot of solo instrument stuff. Violin and piano, mostly.

This is stuff by a very talented Texas metalhead. If you like piano stuff, check it out.
 

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I love listening to EM Jones talk about music.
"If a person tells the truth, then the mind is irrelevant, because it's simply... The mind becomes a window to the truth. But if you're suppressing the truth then the mind becomes very important."

I like that. Turns out I'd seen this already, but hey, thanks for the reminder.

Arvo Part and Gorecki are phenomenal "contemporary" classical composers. My two favorite all time composers.
Went and relistened Gorecki's 2nd symphony (only work I know of him) as I remembered it being Ligeti-tier. Turns out I may have misjudged him. Any recommendations?

When it comes to classical, I like a lot of solo instrument stuff. Violin and piano, mostly.

This is stuff by a very talented Texas metalhead. If you like piano stuff, check it out.
Still working my way through all your recommendations Heartache, but didn't want to miss this chance to share some solo violin music, Ysaÿe. Modern but you guys can handle that it seems. Ysaÿe's often compared to Paganini because of the difficulty. I have to say I like Ysaÿe just a bit better because Paganini, while technically challenging, is not always as interesting musically imo.

 

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Went and relistened Gorecki's 2nd symphony (only work I know of him) as I remembered it being Ligeti-tier. Turns out I may have misjudged him. Any recommendations?

Without a doubt start here!


Then move onto:



 
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I consider this to be a perfect song.

 

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i can generally listen to any bach anytime
 

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1. Sibelius, Resphigi, Prokofiev, Rachmaninoff
2. Mahler, Holst, Elgar, Tchaikovsky, Grieg
 

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... And I have just the thing: ever notice that there are scores of videos of blacks reacting to Beethoven? Something something music universal language, something something Beethoven greatest composer. I dunno, videos like these make me smile:
I couldn't say how many, but there are some number of niggers who believe Beethoven was a nigger. (Well, that's not entirely true. They believe Beethoven was black.) So I wonder whether niggers are reacting to the beauty of Beethoven's music or is it whether they think they're supporting a brothah that Whites culturally appropriated.

It's curious to me how the nigger in the video apes around whenever the tympani can be heard. Maybe he thinks it's jungle drums.
 

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Felt like posting Shostakovich's 6th symphony today. I always think of it as the clown world symphony, so you all may appreciate it. Typically it's viewed as a monstrosity: the first movement is a twenty minute long largo lacking in musical development. The second and third (final) movement are quirky, and are over before you know it. What to make of it?

What not many people seem to notice is that these last two movements reuse several motives from the tragic, long lasting first movement, and do develop them in a way - a light-hearted, silly way. The story of the sixth sympony seemt to be thus: turning tragegy into comedy. I wouldn't put it past Shostakovich that this was indeed his intention.


Oh, I how could I forget to mention this on a gaming forum: the first theme of the final movement is also the inspiration for Mother 3's Unfounded Revenge.

I couldn't say how many, but there are some number of niggers who believe Beethoven was a nigger. (Well, that's not entirely true. They believe Beethoven was black.) So I wonder whether niggers are reacting to the beauty of Beethoven's music or is it whether they think they're supporting a brothah that Whites culturally appropriated.

It's curious to me how the nigger in the video apes around whenever the tympani can be heard. Maybe he thinks it's jungle drums.
Way to ruin the dream man! Don't think you're wrong though. Still, that second movement can touch anyone who wants to listen I'm sure.
 
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Way to ruin the dream man! Don't think you're wrong though. Still, that second movement can touch anyone who wants to listen I'm sure.
There are few things, perhaps there's nothing, like the second movement. It is an inimitable, unforgettable piece of music.

When I was a child, I was passing through the den early one evening. The Huntley Brinkley Report was just ending. The ending music stopped me right there. It played for perhaps 20, 30 seconds before the screen went to black. I went back the next day just before 6:00 to hear it again. I'd go every time I thought about it to listen to that music, which at that time I had no idea what it was. Sometimes NBC would play 10 seconds, 20 seconds, sometimes not at all. But those opening bars of it stuck in my head for years.

Fast forward a decade and a half later. I happened to be standing next to a radio tuned to a local NPR station (before NPR became talk radio for leftists, stations played mostly classical music) and I heard that music again. I was electrified. Called the station to find out what that music was. By the time somebody answered the phone down there, about three other classical pieces had already played, and I was afraid the DJ wouldn't remember it. But he told me what it was, and I asked him, Are you sure?

Because I didn't want to run out and buy the wrong thing. A recording of it would have cost perhaps $5.98 or $6.98 back then, which would have been a fortune to me at the time. But he was correct, that was the piece, finally located after 15 or so years of never forgetting that tune.

Sorry. It takes too long to tell all that. But it's a spectacular work, the second (the first ain't bad either; I prefer the first and second to the more popular third), and everybody should listen to it.
 

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Thank you for this thread it is helping me maintain sanity. I am most likely going to lose my business. I am not simp posting for myself, but I really appreciate the ”lose my job bro“ meme because working on your own business for decades takes a real commitment of time. It is terrifying to have to quit your own business.

well this post is out of place so I will redeem myself with:
 
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