Charlie Kirk and The Piercing Darkness of the Evangelical Singles Mingle

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Charlie Kirk is here pictured cavorting with a tranny. Charlie Kirk is going to hell, and if you follow him, you’re going to the same place he’s going.

On Saturday, I reported on a Seattle church that had scheduled an appearance by Charlie Kirk, but then canceled the event after Antifa threatened to burn the church down and the police said they wouldn’t do anything to prevent that.

The pastor of the church appeared in a track suit to give a surrender message.


This situation presents a good opportunity to reflect on the current state of Christianity in America.

As we know well, Antifa has an anti-Christ agenda. They’ve been involved in attacks on churches for years now, and in their literature, they clearly associate Christianity with “white supremacist imperialism” or whatever other series of hollow, inane buzzwords.

The problem is that Charlie Kirk, a man who is being presented as a Christian champion of some kind, spews talking points that are not all that different than those of Antifa.

Like Antifa, Kirk supports transgenderism.

"Conservative" Charlie Kirk:

"Okay, there's two genders. Now can someone who might be born as a man choose to be a woman? Yes. There's two genders, pick one."

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Like Antifa, Kirk supports using foreign policy as a means to coerce third world countries into normalizing gay sex.

BOOM:

Today, Botswana decriminalized homosexuality

President Trump's global push to decriminalize homosexuality is achieving results across the world

Will CNN & MSNBC give his administration any credit for this monumental achievement?

🤔


— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) June 11, 2019

Like Antifa, Kirk supports an open-borders style immigration policy for America (he argues that we should crush the culture and national identity of the American people with fifty million immigrants in ten years).

BOOM:

Charlie Kirk ignores immigrant voting patterns & advocates “big door” immigration policy.

He wants unlimited immigration!

RT! pic.twitter.com/kFvk5CQdMC

— Chief America 1st Trumpster (President Elect) (@ChiefTrumpster) March 12, 2020

Like Antifa, Kirk supports a racial Jewish state in Palestine, backed by the blood and treasure of White Christians.

#CharlieKirk: America could be wiped off the face of the earth because "America's just a placeholder for timeless ideas." Israel, on the other hand, exists in time & space. "I reject this idea of 'dual loyalty,'" he declares.
Ho, ho, very satirical. "Dual" loyalty, Charlie? pic.twitter.com/bPdU7mVbSC

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If you combed through his material, I think you would find that Kirk supports more or less every other major policy of Antifa. We can joke that the only thing they fundamentally disagree on is tax policy, but I’m not really sure that’s a joke. When you strip the doctrine of Charlie Kirk and the doctrine of Antifa down to their core philosophical components and compare them to one another, it is very hard to find a meaningful difference.

If you were to summarize this shared agenda, it is basically a push for a globalized system of rootless “individuals” serving an international financial cartel. Neither Kirk nor Antifa would state their agendas as such, but again: break them down to their components and see what you find. The only reason you would support both mass immigration into white countries AND using the power of the American Empire to force anal norms on foreign countries would be that you’re trying to erase individual cultures by breaking apart cohesiveness and attacking society’s moral foundations. The only conceivable reason you would want to do that is to create a centralized global empire, ruled by banks and multinational corporations.

It’s a big problem to have a situation where your supposed champions are so close in thought to your open enemies. What is the background on this? What structures exist to support the heretical Charlie Kirk doctrine?

The Kirk Church


Given all of the weirdness surrounding the ideological overlap between Kirk and Antifa, I was interested in what kind of church would be hosting Charlie Kirk, and which Antifa would then threaten to burn down.

Contrary to what you might have expected, Kirk was not speaking at “The Church of the Holy African Gay Anus.” The church is called “Motion,” and seems to be a standard pop culture evangelical church.

I went back and watched the most recent sermon of the church’s pastor, Roger Archer.


It was a sorry sight. Along with the standard stand-up comedy routine littered with pop culture references that we are used to seeing from these evangelicals, this sorry man literally played clips from Hollywood movies. This entertainment variety show was peppered with various vague, feel-good platitudes about “serving God,” which never once during the 45 minute sermon materialized as practical, real-world instruction on actions or behaviors. He read some verses from 1 Kings about the Prophet Elijah standing against the prophets of Baal, but never bothered to explain what the parallel is for modern Christians.

“Standing up for God” was an action that is left blank for the members of the flock to fill in in their own heads, as they so choose. To give a sermon in such a morally confused time that contains no moral instruction is standard, but it remains beyond the pale.

The one thing the pastor did do was push back against the Virus Regime. This is good, and something churches should be doing. However, all things considered, this is really low-hanging fruit. He also failed to elaborate on why it is that the government doesn’t have a right to take our freedoms. His failure to do that seemed to just be a result of a genuine lack of understanding of Christian moral doctrine. I don’t think it would have offended his target demographic to hit on the concept of Natural Law, and quote St. Thomas Aquinas, Cicero and Aristotle. Instead, he primarily zoomed in on the fact that Virus Law is annoying.

Aside from his jabs at the governor over Virus Law, I did see bits and pieces of sentiment I could agree with, but it was just so vague. He says “God first” and all this, but never explains what he’s even talking about. What does it mean to “serve God first”?

Singles Mingles in the Church Lobby


At one point during the sermon, Archer says that half the church is singles. This is what many or most of these modern evangelical churches are – they are singles meet-ups. They market themselves to people who have exhausted themselves trying to find a mate at the bar, and are getting old. These sorry folks show up at these churches thinking that this is some better scheme for mating. (Unfortunately, it’s actually just all the same people from the bar, who all have the same idea to try the church.)

These people who go to the single’s meetup church will pay their “entrance fee” when the collection pot comes around, throw a twenty or a fifty or a hundred – maybe even more if they’re trying to show off to the singles they’re sitting next to. So that is what the church is built around. Even if the pastor didn’t set out to do that, this is where he ends up as a result of market forces.

The obvious thing that then happens is that in order to bring in the men who are going to be throwing the hundreds in the pot, he needs to bring in the single women, which means he has to severely restrict what he is allowed to talk about. He can’t start calling out slut behavior, or fatness/health issues, or even abortion. If women are made uncomfortable, they will go to another church, and the men will follow. That means he has to keep everything relatively vague.

The coronavirus thing is actually a blessing for these kinds of evangelicals, as it gives them something specific to rail against that doesn’t bother a lot of women. Certainly, more women are on-board with the coronavirus agenda than men, but as a general thing, anyone who is going to go to a church, regardless of their sex, is probably going to be the kind of person that is fed up with Virus Law.

The kind of women who are ride or die with Lord Fauci are members of the Cunt Class who aren’t going to be showing up at a church to try to find a husband, even in their thirties. Anti-lockdown talk is going to be safe generally, and at the very least, will allow a pastor to serve a market of women who are opposed to the lockdown. Furthermore, because Virus Law closes churches, or at least limits attendance rates, the pastors have a financial incentive to oppose it.

Isn’t It Better Than a Bar, Tho?


A church singles mingle is probably not really much better than a bar, no. If you’re dating women in their late twenties or early thirties, you’re rolling dice that are loaded against you. Where you meet them is largely irrelevant to the math equation. The dice roll is going to be mostly based on your own income level, and the financial background of the woman. All of that pick-up artist stuff disappears when you’re dealing with old women who are going baby crazy as they hear the clock on their wombs ticking.

That said, I don’t think gearing church service towards single millennials in their late twenties and thirties is necessarily wrong. It probably is better that these whores get married late rather than never, and if the pastor is assisting that process, we can’t call him out on that alone.

But here’s an issue: if a couple meets at this church, then gets married, then continues to attend the church, what are they going to get out of these services, as they struggle with the marital problems that all modern people struggle with? Churches are intended to provide people with life instruction, and if a pastor is afraid to offend single women, who he needs for his singles mingle business model, he’s going to be restrained from providing any helpful advice to married couples.

This is the core problem: these pastors have to play to the lowest common denominator. If they don’t turn their sermons into a variety show, with comedy bits and clips from Hollywood movies, then someone else down the street will, and they’ll gobble up all the single women, and the single men will follow.

Decades ago, no church would have gotten away with turning church service into an entertainment show. Sure, they would have been legally allowed to do it, but everyone in the country would have looked down on people who would attend such a service. Therefore, these single old whores would be socially obliged to attend a real, normal church if they wanted to access the church dating pool.

Reducing the church to an entertainment show for women means that real content is going to be actively avoided. Women are fundamentally amoral, and thus most moral instruction bothers them.

A Natural Transformation of the Boomer Church (These Are Feminine Values)




This phenomenon of “church as entertainment” did not begin with the millennial singles mingle. It is something we’ve seen for decades in the evangelical church. All of this stuff about “end times prophecy” that these churches rattle on about amounts to entertainment. We may in fact be living in the end times, but you do not need to hear about that constantly. If it is indeed the end times, then the thing you need more than anything is moral instruction.

The boomers loved this end times stuff, and that was also largely driven by women. Women tended to decide what church the family attended during the Age of the Boomer in the 1980s and 90s. This is when the churches were becoming focused on entertainment. The singles mingle was a natural transformation for these churches to make.

It’s been a downward spiral. In the 1990s, there might have still been some sense of a need for moral instruction, but it was always focused on feminine morality, surrounding consensus building and communitarian values. Therefore the teachings would be about “loving each other” and “forgiveness.” I am not opposed to love or forgiveness of course, but if these concepts are not tempered by fairness and justice, your value system is going to spin directly into liberalism and tolerance.



As I said above: it likely would not have offended the female audience to give an impassioned speech about natural law, and man’s God-given rights, and the satanic nature of the government infringing on these rights. These churches could even make that their key theme now, and be giving legitimate moral instruction while also bowing to market factors and not offending the old whores they need to keep the money flowing.

So why not zoom in on the inherent and inalienable rights of man?

I think the answer is that this pastor, like every other evangelical pastor, has simply become accustomed to avoiding all forms of meaningful content, out of fear of losing attendance. They are no longer even looking for places where they can slip in moral instruction.

It’s really a mess.

This is Unsustainable and the Going is Getting Tough


This goofy evangelical nonsense is not sustainable. These churches will collapse under the pressure of the state.

Eventually, there will be a place for a hardcore church, which like the original church, will be underground. Many will be surprised by how many of our people come along with us, when the going gets rough.

It will be very popular. It will even be popular among women. If you are teaching the full hardcore message, men’s job is to control women, which in a woman’s mind frees her from responsibility (which is the only thing any woman actually wants – feminism is just one path to that goal).

Frankly, it is shocking to me that no one has started a real church, preaching a hardcore Christian doctrine. It is not complicated. Everyone in their bones knows right from wrong, and they simply have to embrace it. But I guess we had to get to the point of utter absurdity before things began to swing back the other way.

As Christians, we have a responsibility to call out fiends like Charlie Kirk, and the decadence and corruption of these feminized churches.

Charlie Kirk is not compatible with Christianity:

  • Gay sex is not compatible with Christianity.
  • Coercing Africans into having gay sex is not compatible with Christianity.
  • Mass immigration and racial mixing (Babylon system) are not compatible with Christianity.
  • Transgenderism is not compatible with Christianity.
  • Neither “Capitalist” nor “Socialist” globalism are compatible with Christianity.
  • Support for the satanic Jewish state of Israel is not compatible with Christianity.

To bring everything back to where we started: A true church would not bend to the will of Antifa.

We cannot go without a real Christian church forever. The day is going to come.

Right now, it’s important to understand now what is wrong with these current churches.

I’m going to do my best to continue to keep writing Christian-themed materials on Sundays.

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The first thing in the man's cuckold video is he mentions the TWO million dollars they gave/spent in the coonmunity to help the poor folk with food, clothes, reading and writing and helping the poor addicts.
The man's virtue is showing.
What is with the track suit? Is he a slob?
He also said there was an anointing on Charlie. What does he mean by that?
 

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This is (another) great article.
Thank you.
If women are fundamentally immoral, what about the saints?
Are they faking it?
Am I deluded?
What about Mother Teresa, Catherine of Sienna, Therese of Lisieux, Joan of Arc, and so on?
Are they exceptions or is their apparent sanctity merely apparent?
 

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Also, what about the popularity of men like Pastor Anderson, Father Relyea, Archbishop Fulton Sheen, Billy Graham, and even Ravi Zacharias?
They certainly are/were willing to forcefully admonish sinners.
How do they stay in business?
 

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What is with the track suit? Is he a slob?
He appears to be a slob.

I guess it's supposed to be endearing.

When I was a kid, evangelical pastors wore golf shirts to appear endearing, and we can now see that that was bad enough.

This is (another) great article.
Thank you.
If women are fundamentally immoral, what about the saints?
Are they faking it?
Am I deluded?
What about Mother Teresa, Catherine of Sienna, Therese of Lisieux, Joan of Arc, and so on?
Are they exceptions or is their apparent sanctity merely apparent?
I think God can use whoever He wants for any purpose.

But here's the way to view it:

Women should get their morality from men.

Just as a woman can't build a log cabin or hunt for food on her own, a woman cannot be moral on her own. She requires men both for physical sustenance and for moral sustenance.

A woman can cook a fine meal from a wild pig that a man has brought down with a bow. Just so, if a man provides a woman with moral guidance, she can run a moral household.
 

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This is (another) great article.
Thank you.
If women are fundamentally immoral, what about the saints?
Are they faking it?
Am I deluded?
What about Mother Teresa, Catherine of Sienna, Therese of Lisieux, Joan of Arc, and so on?
Are they exceptions or is their apparent sanctity merely apparent?
I think they trade their desire to seek fulfillment in men by seeking fulfillment in God, becoming married to god, something the "eunuchs" Jesus talked about did.

Not to say these people were perfect, but their devotion to god led them into a higher state of existence.
 

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Also, what about the popularity of men like Pastor Anderson, Father Relyea, Archbishop Fulton Sheen, Billy Graham, and even Ravi Zacharias?
They certainly are/were willing to forcefully admonish sinners.
How do they stay in business?
I don't know all of those.

But as I said in the OP, I think real Christianity would be popular, even with women. It would just rely on a completely different business model than the one that most evangelicals are currently working with.
 

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I'm going to butcher this, but:
an idea becomes a movement, the movement becomes a business, and finally the business becomes a racket.
Which, btw, tends to discredit the original idea, unjustly, IMO.
E.g. Catholicism
People say the Catholic Church is corrupt.
I'm primarily interested in a different question: is Catholicism true?
Is the Church's claim to teach infallibly in the name of God true or not?
If not, that is sufficient reason to reject Her.
 
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Also, what about the popularity of men like Pastor Anderson, Father Relyea, Archbishop Fulton Sheen, Billy Graham, and even Ravi Zacharias?
They certainly are/were willing to forcefully admonish sinners.
How do they stay in business?
Maybe they create a big enough environment for social validation that encourags women to be present, I know Billy Graham is very popular. But even if they admonish sinners in general if they don't make most of their female audience feel particularly targeted then they can stay.
The mormon church has lots of feminine women, even among gen z, but they also are very praising of women and there is a less obvious domination by women even though the church asserts that men hold the priesthood authority in the home (with blessing from the holy mormon corporation of course). The church makes a big deal out of male addiction to pornography, but they don't seem to make as a big a deal about women withholding sex leading men to pornography. As long as churches don't put too much responsibility on women they can still be popular (and they can put some responsibility on them if they have enough opportunities for social validation).
 

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Also, what about the popularity of men like Pastor Anderson, Father Relyea, Archbishop Fulton Sheen, Billy Graham, and even Ravi Zacharias?
They certainly are/were willing to forcefully admonish sinners.
How do they stay in business?
Pastor Anderson has some great stuff. Aside from Graham(who for some reason my gut always told me he wasn't good) I don't know the rest.
 

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Evangelicals don’t only have to deny church history and re-write scripture to justify idolizing the jews they even have to deny history itself. The evangelicals literally think everything revolves around serving Jewish interest, but historically the Jews preferred living in Islamic society’s to Christian. That’s just a plain fact. The Jews actively helped the Muslims in their wars against Christian Europe so the Evangelical has no business making apologies for western civilization before the Jews took it over. If the assholes were consistent they would be saying the early caliphates and Ottomans were the good guys in their wars against Europe because the Jews preferred the Muslims in those wars. Yet the Evangelicals claim to be anti jihadist.

I’ve brought that point up with “anti jihadist” evangelicals and they just gave me the same blank stare a boomer gives when you say that the democrats support anal supremacism in China and are trying to provoke a war with them.

Seriously though, for anyone who ends up in some kind of debate with evangelicals for some reason never let them claim they are anti jihadist or that they love Christian Western civilization. As per their own world view they can’t hold that opinion truthfully. Jews were absolutely always on the jihadis team against Christendom because the Muslims always gave Jews a better deal than Christian Europe and of course the Jews just hate Christ. Evangelicals need to be forced to own that though, per their own dogma the Muslims were righteous against Christian Europe because they were nicer to Jews.
 
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So, what economic system is compatible with Southern Baptist Christianity?
 
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Someone needs to keep an eye on Charlie, if he reads this he is going to feel like a total Judas Iscariot.
 

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Evangelicals don’t only have to deny church history and re-write scripture to justify idolizing the jews they even have to deny history itself. The evangelicals literally think everything revolves around serving Jewish interest, but historically the Jews preferred living in Islamic society’s to Christian. That’s just a plain fact. The Jews actively helped the Muslims in their wars against Christian Europe so the Evangelical has no business making apologies for western civilization before the Jews took it over. If the assholes were consistent they would be saying the early caliphates and Ottomans were the good guys in their wars against Europe because the Jews preferred the Muslims in those wars. Yet the Evangelicals claim to be anti jihadist.

I’ve brought that point up with “anti jihadist” evangelicals and they just gave me the same blank stare a boomer gives when you say that the democrats support anal supremacism in China and are trying to provoke a war with them.

Seriously though, for anyone who ends up in some kind of debate with evangelicals for some reason never let them claim they are anti jihadist or that they love Christian Western civilization. As per their own world view they can’t hold that opinion truthfully. Jews were absolutely always on the jihadis team against Christendom because the Muslims always gave Jews a better deal than Christian Europe and of course the Jews just hate Christ. Evangelicals need to be forced to own that though, per their own dogma the Muslims were righteous against Christian Europe because they were nicer to Jews.
Great post!

I've never really thought about evangelical Jew-worship in contrast to Jewish preference for Islamic society, but it is a very interesting gotcha.

However, as you say - you're never going to get an evangelical on that level of discussion, just as you're never going to get them to admit that Trump's national security advisor is out there praising Joe Biden for his work in escalating a war with China. You run into a hard stupidity with these people, and if these things can't be simplified, then they're ultimately going to have to learn the hard way.

But yeah, the most basic evangelical position is that anyone who opposes the Jews must be in it with the Moslems.

Pointing out that Luther himself effectively said that Jews should just be wholesale exterminated is one thing I've found is actually simple enough to be helpful with these people.
 

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So, what economic system is compatible with Southern Baptist Christianity?
Presumably, Southern Baptists as the quintessential Americanist Christians would prefer the traditional American system of free exchange.

Even if you demand Adam Smith ideological capitalism, however, Adam Smith said that it was the job of the government to regulate monopolies. Smith's views on international trade might not be reconcilable with modernity, however, and I don't think we should be tied to these ideologies.

Any Christian system of anything should put family before everything else, and the Reaganite marriage of Christianity to free trade is a kind of idolatry.

Before the modern era, most people simply accepted "common sense" as an explanation for things. However, in the modern era, common sense has been disregarded in favor of ideologies, presumably because of how complicated society has become.
 
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We cannot go without a real Christian church forever.
I highly recommend Pastor Peter J. Peters and his Scriptures for America as an inspiration. His sermons were cutting and relevant, he talked directly about the sins encouraged by the Children of Satan and the destruction it has wrought on society, he was adamant about staying armed and the implications of disarmament, and his material can be adapted to shine the spotlight on the corrupting nature of the jew without having to name them directly, thus circumventing the defensive judaic mental blocks in our current matrix.

He spent much time and energy discussing what marriage is and the roles Man and Wife must fulfill in order to be healthy and successful.

His style was Paternal: he did not sugarcoat his words, he admonished his listeners and forced them to face their sins, but he immediately followed up with understanding and teaching of the correct way. He was tough but fair, and lessons are learned.
 

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I highly recommend Pastor Peter J. Peters and his Scriptures for America as an inspiration. His sermons were cutting and relevant, he talked directly about the sins encouraged by the Children of Satan and the destruction it has wrought on society, he was adamant about staying armed and the implications of disarmament, and his material can be adapted to shine the spotlight on the corrupting nature of the jew without having to name them directly, thus circumventing the defensive judaic mental blocks in our current matrix.

He spent much time and energy discussing what marriage is and the roles Man and Wife must fulfill in order to be healthy and successful.

His style was Paternal: he did not sugarcoat his words, he admonished his listeners and forced them to face their sins, but he immediately followed up with understanding and teaching of the correct way. He was tough but fair, and lessons are learned.
I think it is really hard for any associated with British Israelism/Christian Identity to overcome the baggage of all of that. As far as I've seen, they tend to teach Talmudism.

I'm not deeply familiar with it, but I've obviously run into a lot of CI people on the internet, as we all unfortunately have.

I think that they are correct with regards to the fact that people in the Old Testament would have been white, but from there, most of their doctrines become bizarre. Dual-seed, alternative history, etc.

But I don't know the origins, and haven't followed every pastor. A big problem with it was all of the links to FBI snitch and honeypot groups, along with prison gangs and so on. Anyway, I'm sure some of them are okay with their sermons, but the foundations are unfortunate.
 

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Eventually, there will be a place for a hardcore church, which like the original church, will be underground. Many will be surprised by how many of our people come along with us, when the going gets rough.

It will be very popular. It will even be popular among women. If you are teaching the full hardcore message, men’s job is to control women, which in a woman’s mind frees her from responsibility (which is the only thing any woman actually wants – feminism is just one path to that goal).

Frankly, it is shocking to me that no one has started a real church, preaching a hardcore Christian doctrine. It is not complicated. Everyone in their bones knows right from wrong, and they simply have to embrace it. But I guess we had to get to the point of utter absurdity before things began to swing back the other way.
Totally. I grew up resenting Christianity pretty heavily because every church where I grew up was hanging some sort of fag flag, which is ridiculous (someone being put off from church because they the person] believe gays are sick). It actually wasn’t really until I started listening to JLP that I really came back around.
 

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This phenomenon of “church as entertainment” did not begin with the millennial singles mingle. It is something we’ve seen for decades in the evangelical church. All of this stuff about “end times prophecy” that these churches rattle on about amounts to entertainment. We may in fact be living in the end times, but you do not need to hear about that constantly. If it is indeed the end times, then the thing you need more than anything is moral instruction.

The boomers loved this end times stuff, and that was also largely driven by women. Women tended to decide what church the family attended during the Age of the Boomer in the 1980s and 90s. This is when the churches were becoming focused on entertainment. The singles mingle was a natural transformation for these churches to make.

It’s been a downward spiral. In the 1990s, there might have still been some sense of a need for moral instruction, but it was always focused on feminine morality, surrounding consensus building and communitarian values. Therefore the teachings would be about “loving each other” and “forgiveness.” I am not opposed to love or forgiveness of course, but if these concepts are not tempered by fairness and justice, your value system is going to spin directly into liberalism and tolerance.
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Love these Sunday religious articles. You are doing Gods work sir!
 

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I've never really thought about evangelical Jew-worship in contrast to Jewish preference for Islamic society, but it is a very interesting gotcha.
Do you remember the survey which showed jews prefer Muslims to Christians?


Someone on the old BBS said they asked a boomer Evangelical what they thought their status was, given the jews are all important. It left the boomer speechless. He hadn't thought about it before.

I had a run in with an Evangelical pastor. He wanted a load of free stuff. I told him to fuck off. It became clear that he was using his position to basically exploit people.
 

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The one thing the pastor did do was push back against the Virus Regime. This is good, and something churches should be doing. However, all things considered, this is really low-hanging fruit.
Christian Evangelicalism is not just a Jewish subversion operation, it's also a grifting operation. And you can't grift 'em if the government won't allow you to pack 'em into the building.

Furthermore, because Virus Law closes churches, or at least limits attendance rates, the pastors have a financial incentive to oppose it.
Bingo.

I think the answer is that this pastor, like every other evangelical pastor, has simply become accustomed to avoiding all forms of meaningful content, out of fear of losing attendance. They are no longer even looking for places where they can slip in moral instruction.
Yes. And every single Christian denomination has been guilty of this, even the Catholic Church. The reason the Catholic Church convened Vatican 2 in the first place was to address the absolute collapse of the Catholic Church in Europe between 1920 and the late 1950s. Here in the US we tend to be ignorant of this fact as the Catholic Church had been doing very well here during that time frame, for a lot of reasons which aren't worth getting into right now. And what was Vatican 2's answer to the problem they convened to study? They concluded they had to water Catholicism down in order to make the Church more palatable to young people and protestants. This "solution" not only did nothing to arrest the Church's decline in Europe, but worse, it alienated many of the Catholic faithful in the United States, which not just halted all the progress the Church had made in America during the 20th century, but reversed it, putting the American Church into decline.*

*In fairness, it wasn't just the Vatican 2 "reforms" that caused the American Church to go into decline--there were numerous other secular developments during the same time frame, namely the destruction of Catholic urban neighborhoods and parishes as a knockon effect of the black diaspora out of the south, the legalization of birth control, and of course the Supreme Court's crusade to make atheism the state religion of the USA.
 
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