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NOTE: This is unedited and un-proofread stream of consciousness writing specifically for the forum, and anyone who cares enough to come to the forum to read it. I'm just dumping a bunch of thoughts, and then I will answer any questions that people have in the comments below.
Someone on the forum recently went on a rampage spamming that I said "breed out the white race" in a podcast from over a decade ago, and it's possible that some people didn't know about this and thought it was some new revelation to "expose" me.
This was a podcast with some black guy, that I recorded when I was drunk, and a lot of it was sarcastic/trolling. I had an ongoing back and forth with this host, who was actually a mulatto and sort of clever in a lot of ways.
Here is an article from exactly six years ago (to the day, funnily enough) talking about this podcast, and linking to the full podcast in question (it's kinda cringe, obviously, but since it's been spammed everywhere, and is exculpatory, I included it - I don't know if the link still works, but I'm sure if someone wants to dig through that dirty laundry like some kind of bulbous, perverted, clinically mentally ill walrus, they can find it).
Andrew Anglin Daily Stormer March 14, 2015 So, in the recent SPLC attack piece, it was brou...
The 2017 Atlantic article also cataloged this. And I wrote about it on my blog Total Fascism. The actual philosophical work I did was mostly cataloged on a blog called "Outlaw Journalism."
There are also entire podcasts devoted to this, probably more than 25 hours, which I doubt can be found, when I first became a nationalist. I was interviewed by some of the boomers of that time, many of whom are now dead or otherwise incapacitated. David Duke and Stormfront did exist when I was going through my journey, but had not had really any exposure to that material before I started my blog. Some of the people from that side interviewed me back then, and I discussed my whole development openly.
Furthermore, I've written about my own philosophical journey a lot, and there is a direct line of me writing publicly about the ideas I had about issues going all the way back to 2003, or maybe a little bit earlier. I had a blog/forum on MySpace, originally.
However, I think it's worth simply writing this out again. I'm sure that there are people who like me who would be confused by the way this is being represented by some of my internet enemies. (Note that I do not really consider these people enemies, and it is bizarre that so many people have become obsessed with me. Again, all I've really done is write my ideas online. Some of these people are now proved to be feds, of course. Regardless, any time you go after someone personally, it's because you can't deal with their public ideas. Years ago, I found that a member of a supposedly right-wing group had recorded a podcast saying that he made a deal to work with the FBI, and also talked about his involvement with trannies. I made it clear that in my opinion, his involvement with trannies was a personal matter, and what I was concerned about was his admission that he worked with the FBI. Yes, it's possible that someone's personal life might speak to their character, but why would my personal character matter to anyone? If I was a serial killer, would it change the truthfulness or lack thereof of what I've written on this website? Note that when the Jews attacked me in the Atlantic, it was just this bizarre thousands of words of personal attacks - including the "breed out the white race" tape, along with accusations of homosexuality and child molestation. There was virtually zero wordage devoted to my actual stated position on issues.)
I have never tried to cover any of this up. The only thing I ever did asked to be removed was people spamming that I was a pedophile, and I did that back in 2012-13. Again, I don't want to get personal, but no one can really imagine what it feels like to have a situation where every time someone, including personal friends or family members, types in your name, it says "ABSOLUTE PROOF ANDREW ANGLIN IS A PEDOPHILE." There was one video that someone had found from social media (something that I had literally recorded just to share with friends), where I was with a girl who was either 20 or 21, and referred to her as "jailbait." This was just a joke, because people had said she looked young (Asians look younger than they are). So yes, I did request that YouTube take down some of those videos, and then I posted my own copy, with the full video (which was eventually deleted by YouTube, of course). I wouldn't bother with it now, of course, but at the time people doing hundreds of uploads on every site calling me a pedophile, so everyone anyone typed into Google or YouTube said that I was a pedophile, seemed like an unreasonable situation.
Again, I have written my entire philosophical journey on the internet. I wrote about what I was thinking at the time, when my thinking developed, but I've also gone back several times and written essays about it, after various haters (virtually all of whom have now been directly linked to feds) spread this information everywhere. I've never claimed to be any kind of special person or a leader or anything else, all I've ever wanted to do is write a website, so the idea of finding out some hidden mystery about me has always been just really grimy. I have my ideas out there, and if people want to disagree with my ideas, they can do so, and I tend to respond if there is something new.
I responded extensively to neo-Nazi groups who were promoting the hardcore Marxist "believe all women" program, then promoting the coronavirus lockdown. These groups are linked to feds, and instead of responding to my responses, they attacked me personally, and started reposting this podcast and saying the fact that I'd changed my views meant that... I don't know what it meant. That I was part of a conspiracy?
I don't really like to talk about my personal life at all, frankly, because it is no one's business and it would actually probably sound like I was complaining.
But I do talk in broad strokes about my personal journey in the forward to my new book, which is hopefully coming out in 2021. So I can go through that here, in bullet point.
- Growing up, I always felt something was very wrong with society
- I was middle class or maybe upper middle class in the midwest, and my parents were conservative, normie, evangelical (it all felt empty at the same time as I was drawn to it because I was raised in it)
- My parents were divorced, and as a teen, I had some substance abuse issues (mainly weed), and I had various drama with women and so on, and none of it seemed correct - everything in society appeared to be broken
- I had some interesting experiences with psychedelics (something that I do not recommend to people, because I now believe you can connect with demons in this way - that didn't happen to me, but only by God's grace)
- As a child, I listened to Rush Limbaugh and Art Bell
- As a teen in school, I believed in whatever edgy thing was going on at the time, and listened to some punk rock, which ended up being the proto movement for Antifa (the only one that holds up really are the Dead Kennedys and maybe Against Me! (which was actually later, but I saw them live a couple times when I was 13-14)
- In my late teens, I started getting into Alex Jones (who was very different back then, very much into hardcore conspiracy theories), David Icke, along with William Cooper type stuff (along with Jordan Maxwell and some other stuff which I think now is kinda garbage tier). I was also into ancient civilizations (it was all mostly right-wingish)
- I looked at all of the different religions, including reading the Koran and going to a mosque and talking to Moslems for several months (I still have a certain amount of respect for the Koran itself and a lot of historic Islamic scholars, and I understand why Guénon and others converted to Islam)
- I had a period where people accused me of being schizophrenic, or drug-addled (even though I was not using drugs other than marijuana, which I stopped using around this time), because I was finding out about a lot of conspiracies, many of which were true. It is hard to process this stuff for people now, you've seen people get redpilled and go nuts, but imagine doing it when this information had not yet been organized on the internet)
- I left America, in part because of fear of getting involved in drugs, and in part just because I felt the society was very restrictive.
- Outside of America, primarily in Asia, the whole race thing became clear
- I then started getting into many post-Marxist the French authors, including Jaques Ellul, who was the inspiration for Ted Kaczinski (I read Ellul's Technological Society and Technological System, as well as Propaganda, on Ted's recommendation)
- At the point of the podcast, I had begun to believe that the natural state of humanity was a hunter-gatherer lifestyle or small scale agrarianism
- I lived in a jungle with primitive people for about a year, in Southern Philippines. This was without electricity. Some of the people had second hand clothes from American Aid groups, but some wore traditional woven dress. There was some hunting of wild boar with locally made shotguns, but it was mostly gardening, fishing and raising chickens. I was bamboo huts.
- I slowly began to just get bored. I was reading these super-dense philosophical books (as well as a fair amount of novels) even after I learned the language of these people, because I realized all they do is gibber with each other about inane nonsense. There was no "noble savage" higher knowledge. At all. By this time, some of them had had their traditional religions destroyed by evangelical "missionary" cults, which wasn't working out. The ones who became Catholic, however (which is the dominant religion of the Philippines), I found were doing okay, and integrating into the larger society in a healthy way. The priest who had lived among them had like 60 kids, not because he was a rapist, but because women were coming to him wanting white babies (obviously he was still abusing his position, but it was definitely complicated). That's a long story, which I will save for my memoirs.
- This is where the "breed out white people" comes in. I was concerned about a technological apocalypse, and understood that only white people had ever developed technology. It seemed to me at the time that the only path of technology was ultimately a borg type system, because once the industrial revolution began, there was only one path.
- So, while I realize that "breed out white people" sounds like something Robin DiAngelo would say, it's really, really not even remotely related to that. It is likely related to the positions of the Extinction Rebellion group that exists now (I don't know their view on hierarchy, however, and if they say they're against hierarchy or they support homosexuality or feminism, then they are not actually anarcho-primitivists, because those things are impossible in the natural state). But there was never anything "left wing" really in the view, as I was arguing in favor of a system of families and tribes living in concert with nature, in our naturally violent state.
- I should also note that I did indeed have a negative view of white people, as a result of my upbringing. I also found that Asians, as well as Latin Americans and even Arabs, were generally more happy (I now understand the relationship of this with the brain)
- The thinking and the goal was that if white people did not exist to create technology, other races would remain living in a state of harmony with nature, simply because they do not have the intelligence or the drive to build this technology.
- By the time the podcast was recorded, I had already begun to read some of the fascist materials, which I had had no previous exposure to, but was finding on /new/ (the precursor to /pol/).
- I began to see that what fascism was was the application of tribal identities, values and hierarchical structure to a society featuring technology.
- After moving out of the jungle to [that's my own private business], I started the blog "Total Fascism" not for the purpose of sharing what I'd been reading in these fascist books. I was still working through it myself on some level, but I had basically come to a conclusion with regards to nationalism as tribalism and authoritarianism as a human expression of divine order.
- I was already pretty clear on the race issue, having lived in Asia for the better part of a decade, so the idea of the Jews as a race, and just the general theories about race put forward by the Nazis, was pretty easy for me to grasp.
- It wasn't until after I had looked at Mein Kampf, Myth of the Twentieth Century, huge amounts of Nazi Party literature, Julius Evola, Serrano, Devi (most of which I had come at through Heidegger and Schopenhauer, though it was also a topic on /new/) that I started to look at the more modern stuff, including George Lincoln Rockwell
- About a year into the blogging at Total Fascism, I found that the ideas were very popular, and also found that I had worked through my own personal philosophy enough to start to spread the ideas on a larger scale, so I started Daily Stormer
I have become "more Christian" I would say. I was born believing in God, and blessed with confirmation of His existence, but throughout the above journey, I struggled with Christianity specifically as the One True Faith. I don't struggle with that anymore. I don't really think that is a change of philosophy, so much as just a personal developmental change I underwent - a strengthening of my faith.
During the anarcho-primitivist period, I had been interested in the concept of pantheism, but I've come to grasp, not the least through George Berkeley's "immaterialism" more so than gnosticism (the latter of which I remain ambivalent about, and really have not had the time to give it a proper read through - given the nature of the material, it would really take a lot of time).
I think some of my thoughts have sharpened over the last 8-9 years, as you would hope they would. For example, I feel I have a very good understanding of the concept of "ideology" now, and I think at the start I was still thinking of white ethnonationalism as a form of ideology (I no longer think that - as I've written). But all of my basic positions and premises remain in tact - I believe in family, and community, and I believe that genetic similarity is key to this, which is why I believe in ethnonationalism. I consider this philosophy, rather than ideology.
The reason you see various right-wing people make these huge leaps in their views (aside from fed influence, which I think is clearly a big factor) is that they didn't have the more than a decade of experience that I had trying to figure out what was going on.
My goal with the site was to provide a clear image of the truth I had found, through what was actually very intense and difficult personal and academic work. I also felt a need to demystify the stuff surrounding racism, and the Nazis, through humor, because I felt like as long as there was this sacred cow, the Jewish issue was this roadblock that no one could get around, and humor was the best way to kill that sacred cow. I think that's worked.
It does often seem like people, especially people who may be younger, don't understand just how little "redpill" information was available on the internet ten years ago, let alone 20 years ago when I first found Alex Jones on shortwave radio. I did very serious work to find out what I know, and now it is just all out there. Other than /pol/ generally, the Daily Stormer is the site most responsible for getting this information out, and that is simply a fact. It's not a fact I mention often, because it sounds conceited, but it is true. To make it sound less conceited, let me just say that all the glory is to God, and I feel that I've been led down this path specifically to bring this understanding to the people.
I always encourage everyone to follow the cliche, and "do your own research." But understand, I am not the leader of anything, and I am not and have never asked anyone to follow me as a leader. What I have done is tried my very best to put out true information, consistently, and to amplify it as much as I can, using the tools at my disposal.
This is to say: I don't owe anyone anything. The person who triggered this thread, which I am thankful happened, was one of many who have "called me out" and demanded that I explain myself to him, personally. No one has any right to ask that of me. I am putting up this thread, as an "ask me anything," because I plan to respond to whatever questions people have. But I am doing that voluntarily, not because I owe it to anyone. All I have ever done is write words on the internet. This does not make me a "leader of a movement." Since Charlottesville especially, I have removed myself from political activism completely, other than the most basic thing of supporting Donald Trump. I will not ever promote another political event, unless it is literally a normie event. I will also not directly promote any political actor (other than, on some level, Nick Fuentes).
I will also just add that this person who was spamming the forum, calling me a race traitor and whatever else, also claimed to have donated to me, which means I owe him something. It does not mean that. If you donate to the site, you are helping support my work, which is relaying this information. You are not buying me. I have made it 100% clear, repeatedly, that I do not keep any record at all of who donates to me, which also means that anyone can say "I donated to you" without there being any evidence that this happened. I don't use email anymore, but before when I did, if someone would email me and say "I sent you money," I would say "thank you very much, it really helps" and delete the email. I do not want to be influenced in any way by donors, nor do I want to be indebted.
I personally feel that anyone who reads this site has a responsibility to donate to it, as much as they are capable of doing (even if it is $5 a year). I feel that you all it not to me, but to the site for the information it has provided you with. Obviously, I don't enforce that, and I don't even ask for donations very regularly, but that is my position. When someone claims I owe them something because of a donation, my thinking is "okay, give me back all of the information from your brain that you learned here, and I'll refund the donation."
I have obviously totally destroyed my own personal life in devoting myself to this cause. I'm not posting my IQ, but I will tell you - there are a lot of ways to make money in this world, and if I was concerned about money, I would not be doing this.
Final, unrelated thing
Since I'm posting a long post here, I just want to add that over the last year on this forum, I may have abused some people, verbally. My thinking has generally been "wake this person up by dressing them down," though it's possible I've gone overboard with that sometimes, especially since people are having a hard enough time with the general situation of the apocalypse.
But, for anyone who has been dressed down in a way that may have gone overboard, note that I did not do that to the person who triggered this thread. He was spamming all over the forum that I was a traitor and so on, and talking about his donation and how I owe him, and I simply asked that he be banned from the forum. That is to say, any dressing down was out of love, as if someone is doing what this person did, and just outright attacking me and making demands, accusing me of things, I have no love to write an aggressive response with.
Furthermore, as a rule, along the lines of the fact that I don't owe any of you anything (not personally, I do feel I owe something to the population at large, and to the historical record, and to God who gave me life), I don't think it is ever appropriate for anyone to tag me on the forum and demand I explain something to them. I recently dressed down that French guy, Bermajul or whatever, and maybe went overboard, because he did this. I hope he comes back.
I've been very frustrated with the forum since all those people left, which I maintain was an inappropriate and emotional response to basically petty forum politics. I would also appreciate it if people generally would use the forum as a place to spread information, rather than just garbage shitposting. One of the reasons I have the forum is to mine content, and I wish that if someone started a thread, instead of just replying "well he's my thoughts," they would also add some information, in the form of further links, images, videos, etc. There was recently a Jimmy Dore thread, regarding the Daily Beast article about him, and I feel like I should have been able to go to that thread and get a series of related tweets, comments, screenshots, etc. that people had collectively put together. Instead the only content was "well, here's what I think about that." The entire core of the article was about an interview that Dore did with a Boogaloo boy, and no one bothered to post that video in the thread. Discussion is fine, but this should be a place where there is also information, and people should feel an obligation to contribute information. I have personally started threads asking for information, and it devolves into "well, let me tell you what I think about that." This is frustrating to me.
As I imagine people who don't have accounts will be reading this, and wanting the forum to open up - billions of dollars just got dumped into anti-white "counterterrorism," and a lot of that is going to be people posting on the internet to try to spread disinformation, promote violence, and confuse people generally. So now is not a good time to open registration, because we would just get flooded with feds. We may be able to do some kind of invite feature in the future, where long time users can invite friends.
Anyway - ask me anything. I might not be prompt, but I will try to keep up with this thread.