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It was a breath away from declaring secession during the war, and Lincoln himself said that if it did so, the war for the Union would be effectively lost and the war would cease, with the Confederacy released to its independence. It's pretty fascinating.
Fascinating. What's the background behind this? Why would Oregon be such a difference-maker? It was on the other side of the continent, after all.
 

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Sometimes I've mused about how the entire Earth could be turned into a lush terraced garden if human beings wanted to do so.

You have a lot of good info, peppered here and there with some errors and skews. It's whatever though, I don't want to argue about details. I will say, people living in conditions that can be called "poverty" does tend to increase the warmer a climate is, historically-speaking. :LOL:

I've lived approximately half of my life in the North, the other half in the South. In that time, on this subject, IRL I've seen and heard the most ignorant, prejudiced takes come from Northerners by a huge margin. That's why I get a little bit #tr1gg3r3d by this subject matter.

Broad historical narratives tend to be some of the most ass-backwards and twisted tales in the world. Literal mythology and legends are often more accurate. The South, the North, and the Civil War are no exception to this.

Since this subject interests you, if you haven't done so yet, look into the impact of Oregon Territory on the Civil War. It was a breath away from declaring secession during the war, and Lincoln himself said that if it did so, the war for the Union would be effectively lost and the war would cease, with the Confederacy released to its independence. It's pretty fascinating.
I can assure you, my intention was not to skew or to make values judgements, I dont do that. Where people get screwed up and stupid about things is when they act like THEIR WAY IS THE RIGHT WAY. The Right Way or Wrong Way are basically subjective. There are things that are always right and things that are always wrong, but cultural expressions are often just different and created by many variables. The main difference between the two regions was that assimilation and cultural cohesion took much longer to establish itself in the South, than say New England, which had a cultural construct, a religious/legal system and people immigrated as intact families and also, many of the natives in New England were anihillated already by plagues brought on accident by French fur traders. The South on the other hand had the Five Civilized Tribes and the Shawnee, along with all the slaves to contend with. Thus when you live on the knifeblade of potential massacres and uprisings, combining that with just white family feuds, it created a culture that valued warriors. As such, it took nearly 150 years from Jamestown roughly the start of the Civil War, and lots of religious missionaries to bring stability. Still that warrior spirit was never blunted completely which is why the US Military has been since the beginning dominated by Southrons. During Reconstruction and afterward, when bloodsports like knife fighting, free for all fighting, cockfighting, dogfighting began to be outlawed, then Football replaced them. Betting on horse racing and road racing horses was huge, eventually that transferred to cars, hence auto racing. A warrior culture just simply has a different civilizational expression than a non-warrior one. Simple as that.

Oregon became a state in 1859, nine years after California. The entire West Coast was a problem for the Yankees. The Panama Railway had been finished in 1855, but Panama was still deadly for Whites and the journey to California took a long time. Most of California outside the towns of Los Angeles and the Bay Area was almost uninhabited then, but it had lots of gold. Oregon had also struck gold as had the territory that became Idaho. Both states had strange politics. The Confederates on the other hand could have possibly gotten to Southern California, but that meant crossing the Southern desert from El Paso to California, Ironically Jefferson Davis had while Secretary of War brought Camels to the US to become the US Army Camel Corp to cross the desert, but the brass scrapped the idea and sold the camels off. They did get close, but maintaining supply lines from East Texas, Texas was only about 1/8th settled in 1860, through that awful desert was next to impossible, and dealing with the Apaches without repeating rifles, some Southern troops did have them ones they got via smuggling but not many. That meant pistols single shot rifles and shotguns against a tribe of stone cold killers. Poor odds.
 

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Still the Yankees to run wagon trains west to California, had to largely bypass the usual path through Missouri, Central Missouri was almost all Confederate, so they would have had to run to the north via Iowa then turned South, which took longer. The path through Iowa was called The Mormon Trail, because that's the path the Mormons basically hacked out of the wilderness to get to Utah.
 

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Keep in mind too that the Caribbean was the source of the "Rum-Sugar" slavery that Cromwell started with the J-Tribe corporate "orchestrators" in the Netherlands.

A Historical Sketch of the Poor Whites of Barbados: From Indentured Servants to "Redlegs" Jill Sheppard Caribbean Studies
Vol. 14, No. 3 (Oct., 1974), pp. 71-94 (24 pages)
SINGER Rihanna is part Irish. The global superstar is from Barbados, 6,000km across the Atlantic, but she has Irish ancestry.

Rihanna’s father, Ronald Fenty, has his origins in the Caribbean island’s Poor White community, where Fenty is a common surname.

And the Poor White community, sometimes disparagingly known as Redlegs, or β€˜Baccra’ (derived from β€˜back row,’ the only position they were allowed to occupy in church), are the marginalised remnants of a group of Irish, Scottish, and Welsh indentured servants transported to Barbados to work on sugar plantations in Oliver Cromwell’s time.
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Irish artist Marianne Keating spent six years researching the history of Irish workers on another Caribbean island, Jamaica, before broadening her research to Barbados.

Keating was on a residency in Jamaica for a research project about Jamaican fashion designer Trevor Owen.

β€œI started noticing more and more Irish influence in Jamaica,” she says. β€œThere are Irish words in patois, like β€˜ganzie’ for β€˜jumper,’ and Irish place names, like Clonmel and Wexford.”

Keating learned that Irish people had worked as indentured labourers, in unknown numbers, in Jamaica, following the abolition of slavery; in the period immediately preceding the Irish famine, shiploads of Irish people opted to escape the increasing destitution by signing contracts to work on sugar plantations.

β€œFrom the information that’s online, I probably would have felt that not that many people went,” she says.
But when you’re there, the Irish influence is so common that it makes you aware that it had to be quite an amount of people. There’s no definitive number, though.
But a disturbing narrative built around Irish β€˜white slaves’ in the Caribbean has emerged, used by US white supremacists to attempt to undermine the vicious history of the African slave trade. (lol...)
 

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Fascinating. What's the background behind this? Why would Oregon be such a difference-maker? It was on the other side of the continent, after all.
I used to have quite a few books on this subject, but all were lost, unfortunately. Basically, Lincoln's whole thing was retaining the integrity of the Union: North, South, and West, all the way to the Pacific. He was of the opinion that if Oregon Territory seceded, then the greater Union would be lost because the North could not force it to remain. Therefore the entire point of the war was moot.


I can assure you, my intention was not to skew or to make values judgements, I dont do that. Where people get screwed up and stupid about things is when they act like THEIR WAY IS THE RIGHT WAY. The Right Way or Wrong Way are basically subjective. There are things that are always right and things that are always wrong, but cultural expressions are often just different and created by many variables. The main difference between the two regions was that assimilation and cultural cohesion took much longer to establish itself in the South, than say New England, which had a cultural construct, a religious/legal system and people immigrated as intact families and also, many of the natives in New England were anihillated already by plagues brought on accident by French fur traders. The South on the other hand had the Five Civilized Tribes and the Shawnee, along with all the slaves to contend with. Thus when you live on the knifeblade of potential massacres and uprisings, combining that with just white family feuds, it created a culture that valued warriors. As such, it took nearly 150 years from Jamestown roughly the start of the Civil War, and lots of religious missionaries to bring stability. Still that warrior spirit was never blunted completely which is why the US Military has been since the beginning dominated by Southrons. During Reconstruction and afterward, when bloodsports like knife fighting, free for all fighting, cockfighting, dogfighting began to be outlawed, then Football replaced them. Betting on horse racing and road racing horses was huge, eventually that transferred to cars, hence auto racing. A warrior culture just simply has a different civilizational expression than a non-warrior one. Simple as that.

Oregon became a state in 1859, nine years after California. The entire West Coast was a problem for the Yankees. The Panama Railway had been finished in 1855, but Panama was still deadly for Whites and the journey to California took a long time. Most of California outside the towns of Los Angeles and the Bay Area was almost uninhabited then, but it had lots of gold. Oregon had also struck gold as had the territory that became Idaho. Both states had strange politics. The Confederates on the other hand could have possibly gotten to Southern California, but that meant crossing the Southern desert from El Paso to California, Ironically Jefferson Davis had while Secretary of War brought Camels to the US to become the US Army Camel Corp to cross the desert, but the brass scrapped the idea and sold the camels off. They did get close, but maintaining supply lines from East Texas, Texas was only about 1/8th settled in 1860, through that awful desert was next to impossible, and dealing with the Apaches without repeating rifles, some Southern troops did have them ones they got via smuggling but not many. That meant pistols single shot rifles and shotguns against a tribe of stone cold killers. Poor odds.
There used to be a saying, "Oregon politics." It meant that a candidate publicly roasted his opponent, trolled him, belittled him, publicly smeared him without restraint or abashment. Good times. πŸ˜† It was the wildest of Wests for a short spell.

The Apaches were allies to the US at one point. But the US broke the treaties when it was convenient, as usual. There's a lot of nuance to all this stuff, and the history is packed with intrigue. The Iroquois League was even more influential than the five civilized tribes of the South! Longer in the past, of course.

The Redskins did a lot of ball sports, as a replacement for deadly skirmishing. They even had outdoor arenas for the games. Sometimes I think the penchant for such games in America was inspired by them. You sure see a lot of it in the names of old sportsball teams.

The Appalachians were populated by Scotch-Irish borderers and the like, they always liked a good feud anyway, back into the mists of time. Certain types of corn will grow best in the right environment, I suppose.
 
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There was a lot of poverty in the rural south up until the invention of air conditioning. A LOT of poverty.
On the subject of AC: I and countless other men worked in the South outdoors with no AC, year-round, no problem. They continue to do so. This notion that AC = less poverty is very strange to me. It also gets really hot in the North in Summertime, a particularly productive time of the year that requires lots of work that's not done in air conditioning.

It's like saying, "There was a LOT of poverty in the North until the invention of insulation."

It's just one of those things where correlation doesn't mean causation.
 

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I used to have quite a few books on this subject, but all were lost, unfortunately. Basically, Lincoln's whole thing was retaining the integrity of the Union: North, South, and West, all the way to the Pacific. He was of the opinion that if Oregon Territory seceded, then the greater Union would be lost because the North could not force it to remain. Therefore the entire point of the war was moot.




There used to be a saying, "Oregon politics." It meant that a candidate publicly roasted his opponent, trolled him, belittled him, publicly smeared him without restraint or abashment. Good times. πŸ˜† It was the wildest of Wests for a short spell.

The Apaches were allies to the US at one point. But the US broke the treaties when it was convenient, as usual. There's a lot of nuance to all this stuff, and the history is packed with intrigue. The Iroquois League was even more influential than the five civilized tribes of the South! Longer in the past, of course.

The Redskins did a lot of ball sports, as a replacement for deadly skirmishing. They even had outdoor arenas for the games. Sometimes I think the penchant for such games in America was inspired by them. You sure see a lot of it in the names of old sportsball teams.

The Appalachians were populated by Scotch-Irish borderers and the like, they always liked a good feud anyway, back into the mists of time. Certain types of corn will grow best in the right environment, I suppose.
We have some of that growing, my dad's family grew it back in Kentucky it's called Hickory Cane Dent Corn, it's a species the Cherokees and others grew for making cornmeal. The stalks grow up to 15 feet tall. This was important, as in the wooded South and swamp South, alot of people didn't have much pasture for their animals. The rich gentleman farmers got that land, the poor whites and others lived on the rough land and where you didn't have much pasture or the ability to cut and rake hay, you had to get inventive. So they'd cut the tops of the plant and the leaves off while it was green, then shock the rest after they picked the corn. Cornstalks and corn leaves, with a certain amount of grain was what most poor people's animals ate. Now in the days before mules, when oxen aka working cows were prevalent, oxen were prized because they could make do on very low quality food and could eat all the green plants in the woods. The pioneers in the South would turn out their cattle in the woods, but this caused an illness called milk sickness, when cattle ate snakeroot. Usually the problem went away once the area was logged and plowed under, but it killed a lot of people. One of the reasons that it was so necessary for the Federal Army to burn down the Shennandoah Valley in the Civil War, was to destroy the grain supply ie oats, wheat rye spelt etc and the hay supply. When the war began, the best horses in North America were in the South, Kentucky, Virginia, etc. The Confederate plundered a good part of them. The Union had to at first make do with lesser quality horses which meant Wade Hampton and Jeb Stuart ran wild on them. Still as the Union obtained better horses, this began to slowly change but what really changed it was the South slowly running out of grain and hay. Once that happened, the horses were down to eating corn shocks and anything they could get, and being malnourished, even the best horses won't run fast.
 

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Yup. Unless you live in Martha's Vineyard. Then you're good.
 

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On the subject of AC: I and countless other men worked in the South outdoors with no AC, year-round, no problem. They continue to do so.
Outdoor work with no AC is different from indoor work with no AC.
 

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We have some of that growing, my dad's family grew it back in Kentucky it's called Hickory Cane Dent Corn, it's a species the Cherokees and others grew for making cornmeal. The stalks grow up to 15 feet tall. This was important, as in the wooded South and swamp South, alot of people didn't have much pasture for their animals. The rich gentleman farmers got that land, the poor whites and others lived on the rough land and where you didn't have much pasture or the ability to cut and rake hay, you had to get inventive.
The far north of New England is like an extreme version of that situation, it would seem from the time I spent up there in Maine and New Hampshire. Rocky thin soils, etc. In those states it seemed like decent farmland was rare to see and hard-won through clearing rocks, etc.

Some of my ancestors were original settlers of Maine up above the Casco Bay area. Recently a family manuscript was discovered, written later on in life by the, at that time, 16 year old son of one of these pioneers, of his experience settling new land with his father.

Some of the details in the first part of the manuscript:
-They chose a spot with a wet, boggy low area that would naturally grow tall grass (produce hay), that they could store for the Winter.
-The spot also had a sloped upper area facing South, with decent soil for farming.
-The spot also had easy access to a river.
-They were aware that certain deciduous broadleaf plants "sweetened" the soil (nitrogen-fixing), and that pines made the soil poor. So they cleared all of the pines and used the logs to make the cabin, and left many of the broadleaf trees on the land.
-They had to remove many rocks from the farming field, it was tons of work.
-Seeds and livestock were regarded with near reverence, as the survival of the family was totally dependent upon the animals and crops
-Womenfolk and children didn't move North to the new land until after the father and son had prepared it for a year. The womenfolk were very diligent in their care for the animals and seed stock.
-There were no Indians at all, since they lived in areas that were much less hard, such as near the St. Lawrence on the far side of Vermont. The Indians had little interest in rough country with poor soil. There was nobody there at all, it was virgin land, that had rarely seen the footstep of a human being, other than the extreme rare chance that a hunting party went through. the area.
 

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Outdoor work with no AC is different from indoor work with no AC.
True, but things still get done and have always gotten done. Perhaps the invention of the AC corresponds with more indoor work across the board. Kind of a chicken and egg thing.

People still fished before boat motors - the large cod of Maine were made virtually extinct, as were the Columbia River giant salmon. They logged without chainsaws - entire forests, including the giant redwoods, were nearly wiped off the face of the Earth with hand saws. They farmed without tractors, and waged great wars without guns. They moved tons of cargo without trains or container ships, and they traveled the world without aircraft.

It wasn't like, "Air conditioning was invented so now the South is lifted from poverty because the air inside is cooler."
 

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The far north of New England is like an extreme version of that situation, it would seem from the time I spent up there in Maine and New Hampshire. Rocky thin soils, etc. In those states it seemed like decent farmland was rare to see and hard-won through clearing rocks, etc.

Some of my ancestors were original settlers of Maine up above the Casco Bay area. Recently a family manuscript was discovered, written later on in life by the, at that time, 16 year old son of one of these pioneers, of his experience settling new land with his father.

Some of the details in the first part of the manuscript:
-They chose a spot with a wet, boggy low area that would naturally grow tall grass (produce hay), that they could store for the Winter.
-The spot also had a sloped upper area facing South, with decent soil for farming.
-The spot also had easy access to a river.
-They were aware that certain deciduous broadleaf plants "sweetened" the soil (nitrogen-fixing), and that pines made the soil poor. So they cleared all of the pines and used the logs to make the cabin, and left many of the broadleaf trees on the land.
-They had to remove many rocks from the farming field, it was tons of work.
-Seeds and livestock were regarded with near reverence, as the survival of the family was totally dependent upon the animals and crops
-Womenfolk and children didn't move North to the new land until after the father and son had prepared it for a year. The womenfolk were very diligent in their care for the animals and seed stock.
-There were no Indians at all, since they lived in areas that were much less hard, such as near the St. Lawrence on the far side of Vermont. The Indians had little interest in rough country with poor soil. There was nobody there at all, it was virgin land, that had rarely seen the footstep of a human being, other than the extreme rare chance that a hunting party went through. the area.
There is one reason New Englanders used oxen over horses for work until the early 20th century or better, that was because although they did have hay fields, oxen did not need all the good grain horses do, thus oxen could do more on less quality food. Where I live there are lots of amish and they use horses for everything, its downright shocking how much horse feed they have to buy, especially if they don't have a large farm. Oxen on the other hand are slower and mean 100 times more work, but over time they are more durable. That is why in New England and in other places they were used past the beginning of the 20th century in logging.
 

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True, but things still get done and have always gotten done. Perhaps the invention of the AC corresponds with more indoor work across the board. Kind of a chicken and egg thing.

People still fished before boat motors - the large cod of Maine were made virtually extinct, as were the Columbia River giant salmon. They logged without chainsaws - entire forests, including the giant redwoods, were nearly wiped off the face of the Earth with hand saws. They farmed without tractors, and waged great wars without guns. They moved tons of cargo without trains or container ships, and they traveled the world without aircraft.

It wasn't like, "Air conditioning was invented so now the South is lifted from poverty because the air inside is cooler."
Why air conditioning was so important, was that it made the South tourist-friendly. Before air conditioning the reason most resorts were built near the ocean was for the ocean breeze. The first manufactured ice in the USA was in Florida, an inventor from Nevis, John Gorrie. Manufactured ice had been known to the ancients in Egypt and India evidently it died with Rome and it wasn't really attempted again until 1834 in the UK. John Gorrie manufactured the first ice in America in Florida, although the ice harvesting industry in New England and the Northeast blocked innovation for decades which caused massive ice famines into the 20th century. The increase in tourism brought in more money and created thousands of jobs, a trickle down effect. Think about it, do you think anyone in their right mind would have went on vacation in Florida or to Gatlinburg Tenn, before Air Conditioning in the Summer? Nope, but they do all year round today, because of A/C.
 

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True, but things still get done It wasn't like, "Air conditioning was invented so now the South is lifted from poverty because the air inside is cooler."
I want you to see something and get some amusement out of it. In 1913, President Woodrow Wilson, a Southerner, began chartering the Highway system. This was before the numbered roads we know today and back then, traveling was still dangerous, as sheriffs, police, and telephones largely did not exist outside the towns. The first highway chartered was the Lincoln Highway, today most of it still exists but under numbered road names. That was one road with a few spurs. The Dixie Highway on the hand should be called Dixie Highways, as it was an entire road system with spurs in every direction. One of the main stops on the Eastern Route was CORBIN, KY that's in the Eastern KY mountains. Harlan Sanders, a restaraunteur, had a chicken restaurant there, serving old time Southern food. When they began building a modern highway and bypassed him, Sanders took to the road and took up franchizing. Hence Kentucky Fried Chicken

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Why air conditioning was so important, was that it made the South tourist-friendly. Before air conditioning the reason most resorts were built near the ocean was for the ocean breeze. The first manufactured ice in the USA was in Florida, an inventor from Nevis, John Gorrie. Manufactured ice had been known to the ancients in Egypt and India evidently it died with Rome and it wasn't really attempted again until 1834 in the UK. John Gorrie manufactured the first ice in America in Florida, although the ice harvesting industry in New England and the Northeast blocked innovation for decades which caused massive ice famines into the 20th century. The increase in tourism brought in more money and created thousands of jobs, a trickle down effect. Think about it, do you think anyone in their right mind would have went on vacation in Florida or to Gatlinburg Tenn, before Air Conditioning in the Summer? Nope, but they do all year round today, because of A/C.
That makes some sense, although I don't think there was much of a "tourism industry" where great masses of people traveled to blow a bunch of money virtually anywhere until fairly recent history. When I lived in Florida, one of the biggest tourist swells was in the Winter, actually, as people escaped the frozen North for some relief. 😁 I do know that in the 1800s Florida was a popular place for people to travel and stay a while in order to get rid of breathing maladies. There were boat tours up the St. Johns River advertised just for the purpose.

The time when air conditioning came around was during the age of tremendous industrialization in general. The rise of personal automobiles, roadways (as you linked above), widespread train travel, mass global trade, large-scale mechanized farming, abundance of petroleum fuels, etc., so there's many huge factors that effected not just the decline of poverty in the South and in elsewhere general, but created the social living and income standards, as well as the infrastructure, required to have a huge industry based on tourism at all.

The invention and adoption of AC isn't the specific key factor that caused a marked decline in poverty in the South, is all I'm saying. At any rate, the wiki article on air conditioning is pretty interesting!


The road map you posted is interesting, too.
 

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That makes some sense, although I don't think there was much of a "tourism industry" where great masses of people traveled to blow a bunch of money virtually anywhere until fairly recent history. When I lived in Florida, one of the biggest tourist swells was in the Winter, actually, as people escaped the frozen North for some relief. 😁 I do know that in the 1800s Florida was a popular place for people to travel and stay a while in order to get rid of breathing maladies. There were boat tours up the St. Johns River advertised just for the purpose.

The time when air conditioning came around was during the age of tremendous industrialization in general. The rise of personal automobiles, roadways (as you linked above), widespread train travel, mass global trade, large-scale mechanized farming, abundance of petroleum fuels, etc., so there's many huge factors that effected not just the decline of poverty in the South and in elsewhere general, but created the social living and income standards, as well as the infrastructure, required to have a huge industry based on tourism at all.

The invention and adoption of AC isn't the specific key factor that caused a marked decline in poverty in the South, is all I'm saying. At any rate, the wiki article on air conditioning is pretty interesting!


The road map you posted is interesting, too.
I agree but what I meant basically was that in Florida and the rest of the South particularly after the Civil War up until WWI, tourist season ended about Memorial Day and didn't get going again until about October-November. Between June and October, malaria, yellow fever and rarer diseases like poliomyelitis and countless other illnesses spread by mosquitos and tainted water that the extreme heat caused to grow with bacteria and viruses of all types usually sickened Yankees, the native Southerners had some immunity to it, from adapting to the environment. The aristocrats typically before the Civil War left the tropical swamps for homes in the mountains and foothills for the children in the Summertime, some going as far north as Rhode Island and Maine, believe it or not. The commoners stayed, so survival of the fittest kicks in. Because of digging the Panama Canal, we figured out the causes of Yellow Fever and Malaria (mosquitos) and we began figuring out better treatments. This made travel more safe in the other parts of the year. Thankfully by the 1920's when the Ford Model T was as common as mosquitos at a July picnic, people were going everywhere in them. Actually American's travel-lust was democratized thanks to Henry Ford, that actually happened long before the Fifties and universal prosperity. Its just because the Jew-created Depression was so awful, we forget that the 1920's, particularly for White Americans was very prosperous. Travel began to become year-round by the Twenties That was also the decade that movie theaters began to get air conditioning. Which is why John Dillinger was at the Biograph in Chicago in 1934 watching Manhattan Melodrama. Its on Bitchute, great gangster film. Ironically Clark Gables character and Dillenger looked very similar
 

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I agree but what I meant basically was that in Florida and the rest of the South particularly after the Civil War up until WWI, tourist season ended about Memorial Day and didn't get going again until about October-November. Between June and October, malaria, yellow fever and rarer diseases like poliomyelitis and countless other illnesses spread by mosquitos and tainted water that the extreme heat caused to grow with bacteria and viruses of all types usually sickened Yankees, the native Southerners had some immunity to it, from adapting to the environment. The aristocrats typically before the Civil War left the tropical swamps for homes in the mountains and foothills for the children in the Summertime, some going as far north as Rhode Island and Maine, believe it or not. The commoners stayed, so survival of the fittest kicks in. Because of digging the Panama Canal, we figured out the causes of Yellow Fever and Malaria (mosquitos) and we began figuring out better treatments. This made travel more safe in the other parts of the year. Thankfully by the 1920's when the Ford Model T was as common as mosquitos at a July picnic, people were going everywhere in them. Actually American's travel-lust was democratized thanks to Henry Ford, that actually happened long before the Fifties and universal prosperity. Its just because the Jew-created Depression was so awful, we forget that the 1920's, particularly for White Americans was very prosperous. Travel began to become year-round by the Twenties That was also the decade that movie theaters began to get air conditioning. Which is why John Dillinger was at the Biograph in Chicago in 1934 watching Manhattan Melodrama. Its on Bitchute, great gangster film. Ironically Clark Gables character and Dillenger looked very similar
The roaring 20s.

I gotta say, there are mad nasty mosquitos and diseases up Nort' there too. There are also crystal clear waters down South, everywhere. I think both the tourist effect and the AC effect are overstated. Most of the South isn't tropical like Central America with associated diseases and vectors, other than the extreme Southern end of Florida. It's just a bunch of hearsay that keeps getting spread around, for 150 years now. The South is beautiful and abundant, as is the North. The people in the South and the North were both mainly European in blood, with all the associated traits, peculiarities, and ambitions thereof. But different in culture. We're blessed with a natural paradise in North America, and the Southerners weren't uniquely debased compared to those of the North. To say otherwise is just nonsense, imo.

The book Albion's Seed is one I want to read that I think would reveal some hidden secrets about this whole topic...


 

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The roaring 20s.

I gotta say, there are mad nasty mosquitos and diseases up Nort' there too. There are also crystal clear waters down South, everywhere. I think both the tourist effect and the AC effect are overstated. Most of the South isn't tropical like Central America with associated diseases and vectors, other than the extreme Southern end of Florida. It's just a bunch of hearsay that keeps getting spread around, for 150 years now. The South is beautiful and abundant, as is the North. The people in the South and the North were both mainly European in blood, with all the associated traits, peculiarities, and ambitions thereof. But different in culture. We're blessed with a natural paradise in North America, and the Southerners weren't uniquely debased compared to those of the North. To say otherwise is just nonsense, imo.

The book Albion's Seed is one I want to read that I think would reveal some hidden secrets about this whole topic...


I work out in the Southern heat every single day. I get more sun than I should actually. Last time I went to the eye doctor the lady giving me a check up who was white and VERY attractive was trying to give me a lecture on how supposedly blue eyes can't take the heat or very much sunlight so they begin to degenerate faster than brown or black eyes. She was shocked by my healthy eyes. I should have told her the white man conquered the world and did it with fair skin and light colored eyes. If those things held us back as much as our modern historians tell us then we wouldn't have explored and conquered pretty much the entire world. I'm Blond, fair skin, and have blue eyes so supposedly I'm not able to exist in the Southern environment.

My family has been in Mississippi for at least since the late 1700's when they migrated from South Carolina after the American Revolution. My great great great Grandfather was a personal friend with Greenwood Leflore who was a mixed race Choctaw Chief. He along with my (gggreat Grandfather) removed the Native Americans from Mississippi. Leflore was hated for this and plus he was extremely rich for the time. Leflore worked with Andrew Jackson and was a personal friend of Jefferson Davis. Of course the Choctaw were mostly race-mixed land owners at the time so they obviously sided with the Whites to get rid of the Native Americans who refused to submit to a modern way of living and who continued harassing/killing whites.

Another thing people are forgetting is that houses were designed with extremely tall ceilings and large windows to deal with the heat before A/C. Australia pretty much proves the white man doesn't need A/C to exist in hostile environments. It's all in the design of your living quarters. I'm not going to say that I enjoy the humid hot heat, but it is survivable. It's 100% better with A/C and I definitely wouldn't have wanted to live here without it.
 
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