Alec Baldwin’s Negligent Discharge – Actor May Face Involuntary Manslaughter Charges: “This was not a misfire”

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Alec Baldwin’s Negligent Discharge – Actor May Face Involuntary Manslaughter Charges: “This was not a misfire”
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Time to clean up the messy reporting on Alec Baldwin’s negligent shooting of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and director Joel Souza. We still do not know what firearm was used, but the film was being shot on a movie set used principally for 19th Century westerns–Blazing Saddles and Jimmy Stewarts’ The Man From Laramie. So it is highly likely that Baldwin was shooting a revolver and not a semi-automatic pistol (e.g., Glock, Sig Sauer, Berretta).

Semi-automatic pistols are a 20th Century invention and became a staple of military equipment after World War II. There are two types of revolvers–Single Action and Double Action. Single Action means that when you pull the trigger the hammer is released and the gun fires. This was in widespread use in the West during the cowboy era. The cylinder that holds the ammunition is not easily removed and you must open a loading gate to insert only one round at a time into the revolver. Double Action is what most people associate with a revolver. That means when you pull the trigger it cocks the hammer and then, as you continue to apply pressure to the trigger, releases the hammer and fires the pistol.

If a revolver was used by Baldwin then a negligent discharge is not an “accident”. It is negligence. Whoever loaded the revolver handled each round. If the person loading the gun was paying attention, it is impossible to “accidentally” load a live round.
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A round of modern ammunition has four components:
  1. A primer, which starts the ignition process
  2. The casing, usually brass, which remains in the revolver as an empty shell casing after being fired.
  3. Gunpowder, which burns very quickly and generates a large amount of expanding gas. This, in turn, makes a lot of noise and light and pushes the fourth component out of the barrel
  4. The bullet
Blank ammunition does not have a bullet. Therefore, if you are loading blanks you will not see a bullet poking out of the end of the shell casing. Blanks are not harmless. A blank round will propel a plug and gunpowder when fired. If you fire a blank from a pistol pressed against a person’s head the force of the explosion is enough to kill a man.
Compare a blank 44 pistol caliber with a regular 44. The following is a 44 blank:

44 Magnum Blanks - Detroit Ammo Co..- Triple R Munitions ...


And here is a live 44 caliber round:

Federal Champion 44 Magnum 240gr JHP Handgun Ammo - 50 ...


If you are paying attention and are knowledgeable about a 44 caliber pistol, you will not confuse these two rounds. The brass is crimped in the 44 blank. The bullet is clearly visible in live 44 round.

There are four fundamental rules for gun safety:

  1. Treat every gun as if it is loaded until you inspect the firearm and determine there is no ammunition in the chamber.
  2. Keep your finger off the trigger until you have your sights aligned and are ready to shoot.
  3. Do not point the gun at anything or anyone you are not prepared to destroy or kill.
  4. Identify your target and what is behind it. A bullet can pass thru a person or object and continue downrange and strike someone or something.
We know this for certain–Alec Baldwin did not inspect the gun to verify it was unloaded, he pointed the gun at a person he did not want to kill and the round he fired continued downrange and struck the director.

There are two different stories circulating about the fatal wound suffered by Halyna Hutchins. According to a crew source communicating with Jack Posobiec, the bullet struck Halyna in the abdomen, then exited and struck director’s shoulder, who was crouching behind her (this is from Jack’s Telegram channel).
The LA Times has a different account:

The B-camera operator was on a dolly with a monitor, checking out the potential shots. Hutchins was also looking at the monitor from over the operator’s shoulder, as was the movie’s director, Joel Souza, who was crouching just behind her.
Baldwin removed the gun from its holster once without incident, but the second time he repeated the action, ammunition flew toward the trio around the monitor. The projectile whizzed by the camera operator but penetrated Hutchins near her shoulder, then continued through to Souza. Hutchins immediately fell to the ground as crew members applied pressure to her wound in an attempt to stop the bleeding.
This was not the first incident of unsafe gun handling. The LA Times also reports:


Baldwin’s stunt double accidentally fired two rounds Saturday after being told that the gun was “cold” — lingo for a weapon that doesn’t have any ammunition, including blanks, two crew members who witnessed the episode told the Los Angeles Times.
“There should have been an investigation into what happened,” said the crew member. “There were no safety meetings. There was no assurance that it wouldn’t happen again. All they wanted to do was rush, rush, rush.”
A colleague was so alarmed by the prop gun misfires he sent a text message to the unit production manager. “We’ve now had 3 accidental discharges. This is super unsafe,” according to a copy of the message reviewed by The Times.
This was not a “misfire.” A misfire means when you pull the trigger you hear a click but no bang. The ammunition malfunctioned or the firing pin on the pistol is not working properly.
There also is no such thing as an “accidental” discharge. If a firearm is fired unintentionally it is negligence. Gun accidents are caused by only two things–ignorance and/or carelessness. If you are holding a pistol, it will not fire unless you put your finger on the trigger.

A talented cinematographer is dead because at least two people did not follow the fundamental rules of gun safety–Alec Baldwin and the Assistant Director who handed him the firearm with live ammunition loaded. Then there are questions to be answered by the armorer (the guy or gal in charge of insuring the firearms and ammunition are properly stored when not in use and properly loaded with blank ammunition) and the person in charge of props.

The worst thing you can do when handling a gun of any kind is to assume it is unloaded and safe. It is that kind of negligence that gets innocent people killed. That’s what happened in New Mexico to this poor woman.

UPDATE:



Based on a picture posted at the New York Post, Baldwin was using a single action revolver.

A gun similar to the one that was used on set.


 
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I garaunFNtee all those involved, especially Alec Baldtwin, belong to the adamant anti-gun crowd so this is poetic justice if the whole lot of them is thrown in jail for a crime involving a firearm.
 

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I garaunFNtee all those involved, especially Alec Baldtwin, belong to the adamant anti-gun crowd so this is poetic justice if the whole lot of them is thrown in jail for a crime involving a firearm.
Yes, he does, and yes, it will be.
 

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Definitely not a misfire, that gun fired rather well I'd say. I sure hope Mr. Baldwin is held accountable. Some kike lawyer is going to get a big payday trying to dump this on some poor schmo prop guy. I'm sure they're already seeding that narrative.

Whatever... you get what you deserve, enjoy your fate Mr. Baldwin, in fact. Lover Your Fate I say.
 

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Ms. Hutchins grew up on a Soviet military base above the Arctic Circle, where, according to her personal website, she was “surrounded by reindeer and nuclear submarines.” She studied economics at the Agrarian University in Ukraine before switching to a journalism program at Kyiv National University. She later attended the American Film Institute Conservatory in Los Angeles.

Andriy Semenyuk, a friend and fellow Ukrainian cinematographer, said in an interview with Detector Media, a media organization in Ukraine, that even as Ms. Hutchins’s career blossomed in Hollywood, she made a point of embracing her Ukrainian background, making an effort to help fellow Ukrainians in California. Mr. Semenyuk called her death a “stupid, shocking loss.”

murder, russian spy killed on movie set. move along goyims our intel services got this!
 

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I hate when someone, such as the author of this story, tries to pretend they know about firearms and then goes on to explain what they researched this morning to the rest of us. It's cringe.

Anyway, the ammo and blank round in the story are .44 Magnum but the revolver is a Colt Frontier Six Shooter which is .44-40 WCF.

The round on the left is .44-40, the one in the center is .44 Magnum:



The prop/special effects team maybe had trouble getting dummy rounds or blanks for the old cowboy gun but I think this was more likely a case of a diversity hire simply not knowing the trade and never having been made to learn it properly.

I hope Alec burns hard for this.
 

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I hate when someone, such as the author of this story, tries to pretend they know about firearms and then goes on to explain what they researched this morning to the rest of us. It's cringe.

Anyway, the ammo and blank round in the story are .44 Magnum but the revolver is a Colt Frontier Six Shooter which is .44-40 WCF.

The round on the left is .44-40, the one in the center is .44 Magnum:



The prop/special effects team maybe had trouble getting dummy rounds or blanks for the old cowboy gun but I think this was more likely a case of a diversity hire simply not knowing the trade and never having been made to learn it properly.

I hope Alec burns hard for this.
Thanks for that information.
 

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I hope Alec burns hard for this.
I put this in a pile of folks including me, as a sinner, that get rebuked after projecting prideful boastful self righteous pronunciations.

when you run about in public telling folks how much better you are boasting of your liberal tendencies and shouting down contrary notions. you just might end up getting hit the hardest by the logos!

Proverbs 16:18
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.
 

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Baldwin pointed a gun at someone (prop or otherwise you NEVER EVER point a gun at someone). Then fired a second time after seeing his victim fall to the ground.

This should be treated as a homicide, until and unless it can be proved otherwise.




I wonder how it must feel to wrongfully kill someone. Well now you know, idiot:

 
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Mohammed Noor got five years for killing an innocent White woman. Alec Balwin did same and should receive the same punishment.

He pointed a gun at someone (prop or otherwise you NEVER EVER point a gun at someone). Then fired a second time after seeing his victim fall to the ground.

This should be treated as a homicide, until and unless it can be proved otherwise.


Noor is out now.
 

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I'm still utterly confused about how live ammo was anywhere near the set when they're filming with blanks. I was under the impression that live rounds should NEVER be anywhere near where they could be mixed up with blanks. And why would there be live rounds at all? Do they actually use live rounds for filming movies?

If foul play was not involved, then a monumental amount of stupidity definitely had to have been.

I can't find the tweet but apparently the prop master, the person responsible for handling and loading the guns, was a fat pink hair dumb cunt. This was seen on twitter and is not confirmed.
 

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So it would seem liability will fall upon three individuals.

The licensed armorer.
The assistant director who announced the gun was "cold" and handed it to Baldwin.
And Baldwin himself who fired the gun and did the damage to others.

I would presume in that chain of custody that Baldwin is the most legally responsible regarding a potential criminal charge and penalty. The other two are no so much responsible criminally as the buck stops with the shooter, but all three will definitely be civilly liable.
 

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I'm still utterly confused about how live ammo was anywhere near the set when they're filming with blanks. I was under the impression that live rounds should NEVER be anywhere near where they could be mixed up with blanks. And why would there be live rounds at all? Do they actually use live rounds for filming movies?

If foul play was not involved, then a monumental amount of stupidity definitely had to have been.

I can't find the tweet but apparently the prop master, the person responsible for handling and loading the guns, was a fat pink hair dumb cunt. This was seen on twitter and is not confirmed.

 

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A 24 year old woman not confident in her job.
It's like using cheap material for construction: eventually, a f*ck-up will happen.
 

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For whatever reason this boomer quibbling over gun terminology really gets on my nerves lately. Maybe instead of playing internet range officer you should do a similar write up on how homosexuals aren't real, or something.
 

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100% the lack of firearms training, and that implies CONFIDENCE in your training, your own handling of the firearm.

Lot of good information in this thread.

Journalists in the media cannot present even a quarter of the information here. Which brings up the issue of our failed American Demcracy experiment (can't happen soon enough). The media is giving Baldwin cover, as a reward for looking like a conservative, brustled, chiseled hard core patriot, but being and acting like a staunch liberal blowhard. And these pathetic "journalists" even ponder that the production is "temporarily halted" and "no indication when it will restart." Fck the movie. Like a Portuguese (Souza) a Ukranian, a lesbian and a liberal dipstick can pretend to convey the life of cowboy in 19th century American prairie land. Yeah, was going to be on par with "Apocalypse Now." As if the larger picture is...."the show must go on." The larger picture is the fakery of Hollywood, the money they have to churn out shit, the real life hypocrisy of their lead actor.

If there is a possible angle or reflection that journos can report on, is that production companies are under tremendous pressure to film fast. The costs go up every day they are on set, paying everybody's salaries, so time=money. There is no time for rest. It is a recipe for disaster. No excuses, however, and safety is always first with firearms, and Baldwin is a fraud, and unfortunately a beautiful Ukranian woman is killed, and Baldwin nailed her good. Now Satan will bless Baldwin with more earthly "kingdoms."
 
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Even if you’re the lowly gun armorer, you’re still faced in trying to instruct a buffoon like Baldwin in handling it. You can bet it’s in out ear and out the other, ‘don’t tell me what to do, do you know who I am”. Nevertheless, I’m enjoying this.
 

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Noor is out now.
Noor is eligible for release from prison on June 27, according to the Minnesota Department of Corrections. Defendants in Minnesota are eligible for supervised release after serving two-thirds of their sentences. Noor has served 29 ½ months since he entered prison in May 2019, and must serve another 8 ½ months before he is eligible. Under his first sentence, Noor would have had to serve about six more years before becoming eligible
 

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I hate when someone, such as the author of this story, tries to pretend they know about firearms and then goes on to explain what they researched this morning to the rest of us. It's cringe.

Anyway, the ammo and blank round in the story are .44 Magnum but the revolver is a Colt Frontier Six Shooter which is .44-40 WCF.

The round on the left is .44-40, the one in the center is .44 Magnum:



The prop/special effects team maybe had trouble getting dummy rounds or blanks for the old cowboy gun but I think this was more likely a case of a diversity hire simply not knowing the trade and never having been made to learn it properly.

I hope Alec burns hard for this.
I wondered if the firearm used was an original and they've loaded it with modern high pressure ammo, which I assume even blanks would be too hot. This may have then caused parts of the revolver to become projectiles. Do we know for sure it was a live round responsible? If so, what in hell are they doing with live rounds on a movie set? Pulling the slugs and making their own blanks? jewywood use squibs to imitate bullet impacts so there is literally no cause for there to be live rounds on set.
 
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