Abortion ban: Maybe not so good?

Keiser

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Forwarded from some cranky bitch's Telegram account

Vril Maiden ๐Ÿ‰, [30/06/2022 08:13]
[Forwarded from Das Volk Des Nordens]
A comment needs to be made by this channel on the issue of abortion in the United States. In the wake of the Supreme Court ruling on June 23rd, many commentators online and in the media have made known their stances against the practice of abortion. They cheer for the moral victory in preventing abortion by women of low moral character who are characterized as murdering babies. We will not wade into the morals of the topic in this post or discuss the historical perspective of Teutonic and Northern peoples on the topic from a pre-Christian perspective. We will instead provide the chief data about abortion that is vital to Americans. What has been lost in the momentary furor and celebration on the right-wing side is the reality of the racial demographic issue at hand and the social consequences that will result from the banning of abortion in the most non-White states in the country.

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Nationally, there were 13.5 abortions per 1,000 women aged 14-44. (Guttmacher Institute 2017)

Independent clinics provide 60% of abortions in the United States while Planned Parenthood provides 35% of abortions in the United States. (https://abortioncarenetwork.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/6-infographic-poster-7-b.pdf)

The rate of abortion has decreased across all races according to the Guttmacher Institute, between 2000 and 2014. 50 per 1,000 women among Blacks in 2000, to 27.1 in 2014. From 12 per 1,000 women among Whites in 2000, to 10 in 2014. From 35 per 1,000 women among Hispanics in 2000, to 18.1 in 2014. (Guttmacher Institute)

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Data From the Centers for Disease Control (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/67/ss/ss6713a1.htm)

Pregnancies in 2010 included 3.999 million (65.0%) live births, 1.103 million (17.9%) induced abortions, and 1.053 million (17.1%) fetal losses.

For 2015, a total of 638,169 abortions were reported.
According to the most recent national estimates from 2010, 18% of all pregnancies in the United States end in induced abortion.

In 2015, women aged 20โ€“24 and 25โ€“29 years accounted for 31.1% and 27.6% of all reported abortions, respectively.
In 2015, women aged 15โ€“19 years accounted for 9.8% of all reported abortions.
Women aged 15-29 accounted for 68.5% of all reported abortions.

In 2015, almost two thirds (65.4%) of abortions were performed at โ‰ค8 weeksโ€™ gestation, and nearly all (91.1%) were performed at โ‰ค13 weeksโ€™ gestation.
In 2015, 24.6% of all abortions were performed by early medical abortion (a nonsurgical abortion at โ‰ค8 weeksโ€™ gestation), 64.3% were performed by surgical abortion at โ‰ค13 weeksโ€™ gestation, and 8.8% were performed by surgical abortion at >13 weeksโ€™ gestation.

In 2015, women with one or more previous live births accounted for 59.3% of abortions, and women with no previous live births accounted for 40.7%. Women with one or more previous induced abortions accounted for 41.0% of abortions, and women with no previous abortion accounted for 59.0%. Women with three or more previous births accounted for 14.2% of abortions, and women with three or more previous abortions accounted for 6.5% of abortions.
The largest percentage of abortions occurred at โ‰ค8 weeksโ€™ gestation.

Of reported abortions in 2015, the majority were among women with a previous birth, and a substantial proportion occurred among women with a previous induced abortion, events that are also opportunities for contraception counseling.

Non-Hispanic white women accounted for 36.9% of all abortions.
Non-Hispanic black women accounted for 36.0% of all abortions.
Hispanic women accounted for 18.5% of all abortions.
Women of other races accounted for 8.7% of all abortions.

Non-Hispanic white women had the lowest abortion rate (6.8 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15โ€“44 years).
Non-Hispanic black women had the highest abortion rate (25.1 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15โ€“44 years).

Abortions occurring among women who were unmarried in 2015 we between 69.0% and 91.8%.

8.2% of all abortions among Black women occurred within a marriage.
91.8% of all abortions among Black women occurred while the woman was single.
By race/ethnicity, 59.


1% of all abortions by non-Hispanic black women occurred at โ‰ค8 weeksโ€™ gestation.

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The following states have (as of June 25th) already banned or are set to ban abortion outright in almost all circumstances:
MT, WY, ID, UT, AZ, ND, SD, NE, OK, TX, LA, AR, MO, IA, WI, KY, MS, AL, IN, MI, OH, WV, GA, FL.

The following data is drawn from the 2020 US census data based on self-reported Black race alone. (https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table?q=Black or African American&g=0400000US01,04,05,12,13,16,18,19,21,22,26,28,29,30,31,38,39,40,45,46,47,48,49,54,55,56&tid=ACSDT5Y2020.B01001B)

There were 22,875,486 Black men and women in these states in 2020.
There were 5,104,002 Black women aged 15-44 in these states in 2020.

Given that there was an abortion rate of 25.1 abortions per 1,000 women (roughly half of the number of Black births per year) among Blacks, a further 186,672.26 Blacks can be expected to be born based on the 2020 population of women aged 15-44.

Extrapolated over the course of 20 years, phasing out by a factor of 1% the total existing breeding age population based on age and death in each year, an expected 2,064,067.19 more Blacks will be born than was previously expected.
That is a 9.02% increase in the Black population of these states, not including the regular birthrate of Blacks every year.

The average birthrate for the Black population in 2020 was 54 per 1,000 women aged 15-44.

Factoring the average birthrate in conjunction with the increased population from the lack of abortions (included at the fifteenth year onwards), results in an increase of 9,604,269.63 more Black births in the population in these states over a 20-year period on top of the population in 2020.
Combined with the 2020 census total, minus an estimated 10% due to death, the projected total Black population in these states is projected to be 30,192,207.03.

That is an increase of 131% of the Black population in these states over the next 20 years.

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Now that the data has been presented, we want to open up the mind of the reader to the ramifications of this demographic change. It is no secret that as the overall population of the US has increased, the proportion of the Black population has remained the same, at roughly 12 to 13.5% of the total from 1965 to 2020. This means that the Black population has been increasing, while the White population has been decreasing (90% in 1940 to <60% in 2020). Adding an additional 131% to the Black population of these states outlined here, where 55.5% of the Black population lived in 2020, (the Deep South, St. Louis, eastern Texas, Florida, Rust Belt cities, etc.) will mean an absolute increase of the Black population nationally, especially considering that the birthrates of Blacks in pro-abortion states are roughly the same as those in anti-abortion states. The last will of course change as Southern Blacks can no longer access abortion and so have more children than their urban counterparts.

The Black population nationwide in 2020 was 41.1 million (12.4% of the total). 55% of that population lived in the subject states. If you take the expected Black population of 30,192,207.03 and find the assumed 40% remainder of the total after 20 years (given a shift of the birthrates to these states due to lack of abortions), then you reach a total of 50,320,345.05. That would be roughly 14% of the expected 356,760,086 projected population of the US in 2040; almost entirely concentrated in wide swaths of the South and the USโ€™s eastern urban centers. Meanwhile, the White population is expected to shrink to 50% of the total population. This does not factor the actual percentages of Blacks per each state, which will dramatically increase in the South where they are the most numerous, concentrated, and have the highest birthrates.

All in all, what the ban on abortion in these states means is a more concentrated, rising Black population competing with a shrinking and less-powerful White population in some of the last states where Whites still hold political power, nominally through the Republican Party.

In demographic terms, itโ€™s like cutting off your legs in the middle of a relay race. Unless the White Republicans find the will to foment a final back-to-Africa emigration plan for Blacks in America, then their demographics are doomed in the South, the only region where they still have a wide block of political power.

This data doesnโ€™t include Hispanics, Asians, or mixed-race people, all of which will also have increasing birthrates in these states, further squeezing the White population. Remember too that a far, far lower rate of White pregnancies end in abortion compared to those of color. These abortion bans will not suddenly mean a return of the White birthrate. We ask you to also look at the data above concerning what types of women are having abortions; primarily unwed, poor, young women, often with existing children via the same circumstances. These are the same factors which have degraded the Black community over decades and even centuries. The fatherlessness, poverty, and young motherhood rate among Blacks is sky high, and over 99% in the case of Black male criminals, both violent and petty. This ban on abortions threatens an even greater dysgenic socio-cultural effect than just changing racial demographics. It will force a racial, social, and economic reckoning after little-more than one generation. If the United States still exists in its current state by 2040 or 2050, then it will be a powder keg of dysfunctional, deprived, poor, violent youths of color with an intense hatred of the White youth minority.

To oppose abortion in the United States is to load the bullets into the gun of eventual White, eugenic death by a demographic, social, cultural, and economic tsunami in little more than one generationโ€™s time. The joy you are experiencing now by forcing emotionally and socially unequipped White women and girls to take their pregnancies to term, who honestly should not be mothers from a eugenic standpoint anyway, will eventually turn to ash when your own children and grandchildren are forced to wade through a sea of hateful competitors with a birthrate three times your own.

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Forwarded from some cranky bitch's Telegram account

Vril Maiden ๐Ÿ‰, [30/06/2022 08:13]
[Forwarded from Das Volk Des Nordens]
A comment needs to be made by this channel on the issue of abortion in the United States. In the wake of the Supreme Court ruling on June 23rd, many commentators online and in the media have made known their stances against the practice of abortion. They cheer for the moral victory in preventing abortion by women of low moral character who are characterized as murdering babies. We will not wade into the morals of the topic in this post or discuss the historical perspective of Teutonic and Northern peoples on the topic from a pre-Christian perspective. We will instead provide the chief data about abortion that is vital to Americans. What has been lost in the momentary furor and celebration on the right-wing side is the reality of the racial demographic issue at hand and the social consequences that will result from the banning of abortion in the most non-White states in the country.

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Nationally, there were 13.5 abortions per 1,000 women aged 14-44. (Guttmacher Institute 2017)

Independent clinics provide 60% of abortions in the United States while Planned Parenthood provides 35% of abortions in the United States. (https://abortioncarenetwork.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/6-infographic-poster-7-b.pdf)

The rate of abortion has decreased across all races according to the Guttmacher Institute, between 2000 and 2014. 50 per 1,000 women among Blacks in 2000, to 27.1 in 2014. From 12 per 1,000 women among Whites in 2000, to 10 in 2014. From 35 per 1,000 women among Hispanics in 2000, to 18.1 in 2014. (Guttmacher Institute)

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Data From the Centers for Disease Control (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/67/ss/ss6713a1.htm)

Pregnancies in 2010 included 3.999 million (65.0%) live births, 1.103 million (17.9%) induced abortions, and 1.053 million (17.1%) fetal losses.

For 2015, a total of 638,169 abortions were reported.
According to the most recent national estimates from 2010, 18% of all pregnancies in the United States end in induced abortion.

In 2015, women aged 20โ€“24 and 25โ€“29 years accounted for 31.1% and 27.6% of all reported abortions, respectively.
In 2015, women aged 15โ€“19 years accounted for 9.8% of all reported abortions.
Women aged 15-29 accounted for 68.5% of all reported abortions.

In 2015, almost two thirds (65.4%) of abortions were performed at โ‰ค8 weeksโ€™ gestation, and nearly all (91.1%) were performed at โ‰ค13 weeksโ€™ gestation.
In 2015, 24.6% of all abortions were performed by early medical abortion (a nonsurgical abortion at โ‰ค8 weeksโ€™ gestation), 64.3% were performed by surgical abortion at โ‰ค13 weeksโ€™ gestation, and 8.8% were performed by surgical abortion at >13 weeksโ€™ gestation.

In 2015, women with one or more previous live births accounted for 59.3% of abortions, and women with no previous live births accounted for 40.7%. Women with one or more previous induced abortions accounted for 41.0% of abortions, and women with no previous abortion accounted for 59.0%. Women with three or more previous births accounted for 14.2% of abortions, and women with three or more previous abortions accounted for 6.5% of abortions.
The largest percentage of abortions occurred at โ‰ค8 weeksโ€™ gestation.

Of reported abortions in 2015, the majority were among women with a previous birth, and a substantial proportion occurred among women with a previous induced abortion, events that are also opportunities for contraception counseling.

Non-Hispanic white women accounted for 36.9% of all abortions.
Non-Hispanic black women accounted for 36.0% of all abortions.
Hispanic women accounted for 18.5% of all abortions.
Women of other races accounted for 8.7% of all abortions.

Non-Hispanic white women had the lowest abortion rate (6.8 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15โ€“44 years).
Non-Hispanic black women had the highest abortion rate (25.1 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15โ€“44 years).

Abortions occurring among women who were unmarried in 2015 we between 69.0% and 91.8%.

8.2% of all abortions among Black women occurred within a marriage.
91.8% of all abortions among Black women occurred while the woman was single.
By race/ethnicity, 59.


1% of all abortions by non-Hispanic black women occurred at โ‰ค8 weeksโ€™ gestation.

-

The following states have (as of June 25th) already banned or are set to ban abortion outright in almost all circumstances:
MT, WY, ID, UT, AZ, ND, SD, NE, OK, TX, LA, AR, MO, IA, WI, KY, MS, AL, IN, MI, OH, WV, GA, FL.

The following data is drawn from the 2020 US census data based on self-reported Black race alone. (https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table?q=Black or African American&g=0400000US01,04,05,12,13,16,18,19,21,22,26,28,29,30,31,38,39,40,45,46,47,48,49,54,55,56&tid=ACSDT5Y2020.B01001B)

There were 22,875,486 Black men and women in these states in 2020.
There were 5,104,002 Black women aged 15-44 in these states in 2020.

Given that there was an abortion rate of 25.1 abortions per 1,000 women (roughly half of the number of Black births per year) among Blacks, a further 186,672.26 Blacks can be expected to be born based on the 2020 population of women aged 15-44.

Extrapolated over the course of 20 years, phasing out by a factor of 1% the total existing breeding age population based on age and death in each year, an expected 2,064,067.19 more Blacks will be born than was previously expected.
That is a 9.02% increase in the Black population of these states, not including the regular birthrate of Blacks every year.

The average birthrate for the Black population in 2020 was 54 per 1,000 women aged 15-44.

Factoring the average birthrate in conjunction with the increased population from the lack of abortions (included at the fifteenth year onwards), results in an increase of 9,604,269.63 more Black births in the population in these states over a 20-year period on top of the population in 2020.
Combined with the 2020 census total, minus an estimated 10% due to death, the projected total Black population in these states is projected to be 30,192,207.03.

That is an increase of 131% of the Black population in these states over the next 20 years.

-

Now that the data has been presented, we want to open up the mind of the reader to the ramifications of this demographic change. It is no secret that as the overall population of the US has increased, the proportion of the Black population has remained the same, at roughly 12 to 13.5% of the total from 1965 to 2020. This means that the Black population has been increasing, while the White population has been decreasing (90% in 1940 to <60% in 2020). Adding an additional 131% to the Black population of these states outlined here, where 55.5% of the Black population lived in 2020, (the Deep South, St. Louis, eastern Texas, Florida, Rust Belt cities, etc.) will mean an absolute increase of the Black population nationally, especially considering that the birthrates of Blacks in pro-abortion states are roughly the same as those in anti-abortion states. The last will of course change as Southern Blacks can no longer access abortion and so have more children than their urban counterparts.

The Black population nationwide in 2020 was 41.1 million (12.4% of the total). 55% of that population lived in the subject states. If you take the expected Black population of 30,192,207.03 and find the assumed 40% remainder of the total after 20 years (given a shift of the birthrates to these states due to lack of abortions), then you reach a total of 50,320,345.05. That would be roughly 14% of the expected 356,760,086 projected population of the US in 2040; almost entirely concentrated in wide swaths of the South and the USโ€™s eastern urban centers. Meanwhile, the White population is expected to shrink to 50% of the total population. This does not factor the actual percentages of Blacks per each state, which will dramatically increase in the South where they are the most numerous, concentrated, and have the highest birthrates.

All in all, what the ban on abortion in these states means is a more concentrated, rising Black population competing with a shrinking and less-powerful White population in some of the last states where Whites still hold political power, nominally through the Republican Party.

In demographic terms, itโ€™s like cutting off your legs in the middle of a relay race. Unless the White Republicans find the will to foment a final back-to-Africa emigration plan for Blacks in America, then their demographics are doomed in the South, the only region where they still have a wide block of political power.

This data doesnโ€™t include Hispanics, Asians, or mixed-race people, all of which will also have increasing birthrates in these states, further squeezing the White population. Remember too that a far, far lower rate of White pregnancies end in abortion compared to those of color. These abortion bans will not suddenly mean a return of the White birthrate. We ask you to also look at the data above concerning what types of women are having abortions; primarily unwed, poor, young women, often with existing children via the same circumstances. These are the same factors which have degraded the Black community over decades and even centuries. The fatherlessness, poverty, and young motherhood rate among Blacks is sky high, and over 99% in the case of Black male criminals, both violent and petty. This ban on abortions threatens an even greater dysgenic socio-cultural effect than just changing racial demographics. It will force a racial, social, and economic reckoning after little-more than one generation. If the United States still exists in its current state by 2040 or 2050, then it will be a powder keg of dysfunctional, deprived, poor, violent youths of color with an intense hatred of the White youth minority.

To oppose abortion in the United States is to load the bullets into the gun of eventual White, eugenic death by a demographic, social, cultural, and economic tsunami in little more than one generationโ€™s time. The joy you are experiencing now by forcing emotionally and socially unequipped White women and girls to take their pregnancies to term, who honestly should not be mothers from a eugenic standpoint anyway, will eventually turn to ash when your own children and grandchildren are forced to wade through a sea of hateful competitors with a birthrate three times your own.

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Donโ€™t care.

I hate the gay faggot racist shit, though.

Itโ€™s as though these people think being racist absolves them of their faggotry and feminism.

Iโ€™m totally racist, but Iโ€™m not willing to murder babies or accept fucking men up the asshole to achieve it.
 

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Donโ€™t care.

I hate the gay faggot racist shit, though.

Itโ€™s as though these people think being racist absolves them of their faggotry and feminism.

Iโ€™m totally racist, but Iโ€™m not willing to murder babies or accept fucking men up the asshole to achieve it.
Racism is great, sure, but, honestly, itโ€™s a LOT less relevant than obeying God or keeping women in line.

Race is only relevant to me in the sense that it interferes with the former.
 

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To oppose abortion in the United States is to load the bullets into the gun of eventual White, eugenic death by a demographic, social, cultural, and economic tsunami in little more than one generationโ€™s time. The joy you are experiencing now by forcing emotionally and socially unequipped White women and girls to take their pregnancies to term, who honestly should not be mothers from a eugenic standpoint anyway, will eventually turn to ash when your own children and grandchildren are forced to wade through a sea of hateful competitors with a birthrate three times your own.
I guess you can make this argument in relation to Europe where Whites make up the vast majority of the populations still. In our country its to late to think that saving a couple percentage points will make a real difference. Mass deportations is the only thing that will save White America. I don't see the point in selling out on a core principal when it will only change if Whites make up 25% or 30%.
 
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Keiser

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Donโ€™t care.

I hate the gay faggot racist shit, though.

Itโ€™s as though these people think being racist absolves them of their faggotry and feminism.

Iโ€™m totally racist, but Iโ€™m not willing to murder babies or accept fucking men up the asshole to achieve it.
OK devil's advocate...

So people have a choice to sin or not. That's God's will. Yes even women are held to account by God for their actions. So in this case why play God by enforcing rules that in theory are in line with his will. He does not need us to enforce his will. Sounds like pride to me.

Case 1
So we allow women to sin and let God punish them with miserable lives and all the while diversity is disproportionately affected by those same sins with their numbers kept down.

Case 2
We play God and enforce his rules on his behalf and in doing so we assist blacks and every shade of brown out breed us in our own lands.

This is some Platonic shit, no cap fr.
 
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Keiser

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I guess you can make this argument in relation to Europe where Whites make up the vast majority of the populations still. In our country its to late to think that saving a couple percentage points will make a real difference. Mass deportations is the only thing that will save White America. I don't see the point in selling out on a core principal when it will only change if White make up 25% or 30%.
I like the dynamic cost benefit analysis you did. I think we all fail when we apply principles in a vacuum.
 

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Cool, I am not necessarily arguing but I'm sure the girl in the picture below will appreciate your principled stand.

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That's a stupid "argument". This sort of stuff has been happening even with an abortion free for all. We've all heard the arguments a million time, they only work on atheists or pagan larpers (plus, lets be honest, that girl's parents are probably leftists for putting her in a place like this and she'll take her parent's politics onto herself, she may as well be black). You are never going to get a Christian, "racist" or not to agree that abortion is good because blacks kill their offspring at a higher rate than whites. It's one of the sickest, sadistic satanic and evil acts you can do and if you have a society that on one side celebrates it because feminism/women empowerment and on the other because it kills more black newborns than white then the society really deserve what is currently happening broadly, and fire and brimstone as well. Thankfully, the view that abortion is something that we want because it kills more blacks than whites is an extremely fringe view. It's the sort of thing you'd only ever hear on the internet.

Again, this is like the millionth time that we see a wignat take that just so happens to line up with the media and leftists but framed to appeal to racists. I'm sick of it.
 

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So people have a choice to sin or not. That's God's will. Yes even women are held to account by God for their actions. So in this case why play God by enforcing rules that in theory are in line with his will. He does not need us to enforce his will. Sounds like pride to me.
My kike radar is kinda going off right now. What do you mean "in theory in line with his will"? Are you saying that it's ambiguous whether God would support abortion or not because that's how that sounds to me.

Aside from that, that take is really retarded. If I see some guy beating an old man to death, I'm not going to do anything about it because I would be intervening in the sin of beating up an helpless old man which would mean I'm playing God? I honestly have no idea where this idea that Christians just can't do anything about anything happening in life for whatever reason because it would be wrong. I'm not a Christian history expert, but it's rather self-evident that actually, Christians across all eras have imposed their will. If you are preventing obvious evil, how can that be bad?
 

Keiser

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That's a stupid "argument". This sort of stuff has been happening even with an abortion free for all. We've all heard the arguments a million time, they only work on atheists or pagan larpers (plus, lets be honest, that girl's parents are probably leftists for putting her in a place like this and she'll take her parent's politics onto herself, she may as well be black). You are never going to get a Christian, "racist" or not to agree that abortion is good because blacks kill their offspring at a higher rate than whites. It's one of the sickest, sadistic satanic and evil acts you can do and if you have a society that on one side celebrates it because feminism/women empowerment and on the other because it kills more black newborns than white then the society really deserve what is currently happening broadly, and fire and brimstone as well. Thankfully, the view that abortion is something that we want because it kills more blacks than whites is an extremely fringe view. It's the sort of thing you'd only ever hear on the internet.

Again, this is like the millionth time that we see a wignat take that just so happens to line up with the media and leftists but framed to appeal to racists. I'm sick of it.
Relax, it's just a discussion. We still do debate things here. If I were to assert a position I would say that there is natural karmic justice regardless of any other concerns.

Do I agree to abortion personally, no, I don't.

That said I am not responsible for the choices of others so in my view my interest in it comes down to a utilitarian argument about "what is best for society" and not is abortion right or wrong. For me it is wrong but for some skank, well that is her soul and her karma.

Maybe I am a bit cold in this.

Anyway what is best for society? Abortion or no Abortion.

I got it, abortion for non-Whites and no abortion for Whites.

Oh shit I guess I am a wing-nat.
 
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Keiser

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My kike radar is kinda going off right now. What do you mean "in theory in line with his will"? Are you saying that it's ambiguous whether God would support abortion or not because that's how that sounds to me.

Aside from that, that take is really retarded. If I see some guy beating an old man to death, I'm not going to do anything about it because I would be intervening in the sin of beating up an helpless old man which would mean I'm playing God? I honestly have no idea where this idea that Christians just can't do anything about anything happening in life for whatever reason because it would be wrong. I'm not a Christian history expert, but it's rather self-evident that actually, Christians across all eras have imposed their will. If you are preventing obvious evil, how can that be bad?
Of f**k off with that "you're a kike" shit. I've been here since 2013 and have written articles for the gaff. Piss off, it's f**king stale.

My kike radar is kinda going off right now. What do you mean "in theory in line with his will"? Are you saying that it's ambiguous whether God would support abortion or not because that's how that sounds to me.
...and yes that's exactly what I am saying, even Thomas Aquinas would agree that one cannot presume to actually know the mind of God. I say "in theory" as a mark of deferential respect and humility, if you could actually read between the lines.
 

Yang Wen-Li

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Of f**k off with that "you're a kike" shit. I've been here since 2013 and have written articles for the gaff. Piss off, it's f**king stale.



...and yes that's exactly what I am saying, even Thomas Aquinas would agree that one cannot presume to actually know the mind of God. I say "in theory" as a mark of deferential respect and humility, if you could actually read between the lines.
The reason I said that is that I don't understand how you can take the position that it's ambiguous whether or not God would be against abortion without judaic mind-twister puzzles. I don't claim that I know the mind of God, but it's pretty obvious that God would be against child sacrifice. The fact I have to actually write out a sentence like that is what makes me raise my eyebrow.

The way I understood your sentence was essentially, "we don't even know if God would be against it, so let's not rush and ban it". Am I wrong?
 

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You are a wigger faggot and I can guarantee that you own at least one Thor funko pop. If I have to explain the issue with "killing babies in satanic human sacrifice rituals is good because it will kill black people too" to you, then it's just beyond over for you. Enjoy the fires of hell. You deserve them if anyone does.
 

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You are a wigger faggot and I can guarantee that you own at least one Thor funko pop. If I have to explain the issue with "killing babies in satanic human sacrifice rituals is good because it will kill black people too" to you, then it's just beyond over for you. Enjoy the fires of hell. You deserve them if anyone does.
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The current roe v wade is ideal. Liberal cities will kill their kids( still not ideal) conservative areas will be more conservative. The only situation where abortion might need to be revisited is if all the Vaxxed have retard kids.
 

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OK devil's advocate...

So people have a choice to sin or not. That's God's will. Yes even women are held to account by God for their actions. So in this case why play God by enforcing rules that in theory are in line with his will. He does not need us to enforce his will. Sounds like pride to me.

Case 1
So we allow women to sin and let God punish them with miserable lives and all the while diversity is disproportionately affected by those same sins with their numbers kept down.

Case 2
We play God and enforce his rules on his behalf and in doing so we assist blacks and every shade of brown out breed us in our own lands.

This is some Platonic shit, no cap fr.
Yeah, yeah, I got ya - Iโ€™m not coming at you super hard or criticizing this video specifically - Iโ€™m just thinking of Greg and Dickie and thinking how much they annoy me on a visceral level.

I can get along with Greg, though Iโ€™m going to rip on him a lot if weโ€™re around each other, but I think he needs to consider the WHY of racism instead of just the confluence of interests, because everything I do is for a reason, and everything I do I try to do with God in mind.

Iโ€™ma very, very long-term thinker and metaphysical realist, and Iโ€™m not ever going to do anything that has a chance of pissing God off that much. I may be a monster, but Iโ€™m not stupid.
 

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Well yes, banning abortion is nutso regardless of when life begins, but at least now we can put some reasonable limits on it. 6 weeks is playoffs time, women can handle this if they are pressured with time constraints otherwise they wait till the last minute.
 

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When I am thinking of whether to support a policy, I ask only one question:
If that policy was put into place, would it be good or bad for White Americans as a whole
When it comes to banning abortion (and it really isn't banned everywhere in the US, just in certain states) I am not sure if it's good for Whites. I mean, I do think it counts as killing a human. "Murder" is "the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought" - so if it's legal, it's not murder. If it isn't legal, it's murder. So if abortion is banned in your state and you get one, it's murder.
But I don't see the US government as any moral authority whatsoever.
I also am not inherently opposed to euthanasia within families. I think it should be legal to abort a baby, especially if it's retarded or if the woman was legitimately raped. I realize this is like 1% of abortions. I also think if you give birth to a defective retard baby, it's OK to euthanize. And if your grandpa is like 90 years old with Alzheimers and is 24/7 miserable and shits his pants every day, I think the family should be able to decide to euthanize him as well.

But if a woman says "LOL I want an abortion cuz I had sex with some guy and I didn't feel like using protection and I don't want a baby cuz then I couldn't have a bunch of sex" I think she should be shamed, and maybe the condition should be that she should have to allow herself to be sterilized after the procedure, or pay some hefty fine. I think the courts can figure that out, maybe for younger women they can be forced to do like 200 hours of community service first time, and then second time it's sterilization.

However, that doesn't really matter so much to me. People saying shit like "Well if you ban abortion then Whites will become minorities in the USA like 5% faster" OK? As if it's somehow better that it happens a little slower? If nothing is done, it's inevitable. It's not an argument I care about.

If someone can explain how banning/legalizing abortion will somehow improve the likelihood that Whites in the USA will actually create some sort of ethnostate free of Jews, then I'm all ears. Like, if it pisses off leftists so much they want to now secede or something. Great. But if the argument is just "Whites will become minorities at a slightly slower pace" then I don't care. Every generation is less White, on average. We know what has to be done. We need our own living spaces with our own, non-ZOG, non-POZZED governments.
 

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How many of those "non-hispanic white" abortions were to mixed race low iq Kapernick babies? I bet 50% of them, also, 20 million more unwanted and low iq negros from terrible conditions, no thanks. Assholes like Emmit Till would be in front of every Popeye's and KFC
 
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commiesmasher

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How many of those "non-hispanic white" abortions were to mixed race low iq Kapernick babies? I bet 50% of them, also, 20 million more unwanted and low iq negros from terrible conditions, no thanks. Assholes like Emmit Till would be in front of every Popeye's and KFC

Birth rates for White women based on ideology:

Extremely liberal (2.5%) โ€” 1.61
Liberal (12.7%) โ€” 1.72
Slightly liberal (11.3%) โ€” 1.58
Moderate (39.9%) โ€” 2.14
Slightly conservative (15.6%) โ€” 2.03
Conservative (14.3%) โ€” 2.34
Extremely conservative (3.7%) โ€” 2.62
 

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Take a look at this thread from a couple months ago that @SNESChampion made.


Abortion is not and never will be the answer to the non-white problem.
 

FATEWEAVER88

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satanic ritual child killings are satanic ritual child killings regardless of the race
Are you willing to adopt some unwanted niglets? Are you ok with a growing black population while whites are in decline?
 

Yang Wen-Li

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Are you willing to adopt some unwanted niglets? Are you ok with a growing black population while whites are in decline?
No but abortion is not the solution here.
 

commiesmasher

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The problem is Whites don't have their own self-governed living space, free of Blacks in the USA.
Are you willing to adopt some unwanted niglets? Are you ok with a growing black population while whites are in decline?
 
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