A Dream I Had

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One thing Dostoevsky has going against him is Jordan Peterson promotes him. I wouldn't have touched Dostoevsky if Anglin didn't recommend him.
πŸ€­πŸ™ˆ let me know what else you don’t like because of Jordan Peterson, I’m pretty interested for real I liked Ben Shapiro until JP recommended him
 

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πŸ€­πŸ™ˆ let me know what else you don’t like because of Jordan Peterson, I’m pretty interested for real I liked Ben Shapiro until JP recommended him
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Pretty sure you're completely underestimating the current state of technology with regards to this sort of thing. It's all worked out and it doesn't take much to do it. The only people who couldn't do it are American blacks and the Australian natives. The Gulf Arabs have already proved they can run high tech societies. Please see Dubai.

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Or Riyadh.

Or literally every Arab city that is wealthy or even just isn't poor.

You can of course start talking snarkily about how it's all designed by German engineers, but that is either besides the point, or actually is the point. One or the other, or both.

This isn't a commentary on the competence or lack thereof of the Arabs. It's a commentary on the state of Western society in a complete post-scarcity environment created by technological marvels.

It's like with China. The same thing. White people are posting replies to Chinese future cities while living in hellhole open air homeless prison camps filled with blacks with "it's all white technology!!@!!!!" and the response is "chinamanyesmen.jpg." It's like Greg Abbott watching a pro-skaterboarder and seething about "you can only do that because you have working legs!@!!!!!" (Or no wait - reverse that analogy somehow.) Protip: everyone has access to white people technology. The fact that white people are themselves failing to employ, sometimes in the most basic sense (particularly in America), their own technology only makes it more embarrassing. It's not an own.



I have ones this detailed and cinematic that I remember with clarity when I wake up probably quarterly. I always think "I need to take the notes right now and then turn it into a story for the site" and never did until this morning. Feels pretty good. It maybe sort of relates to that thing I wrote above.
I don’t think it’s snarky to point out the obvious.
These Gulf Arab societies literally are completely dependant not only on Western technology to build but also require Europeans to maintain.that does create a brain drain in the West but I’m not even sure that’s a bad thing. The gulf Arab states are employing the best men of the west. And allowing them to pretty much work in an all male environment. They then give the wives a Filipino house maid and the men can hopefully have more children than they would in a western country. To the Muslims credit having a strict rules based society is obviously very helpful despite their lower iQ. Venezuelans and Sunni Arabs have around the same IQ. And same resources. Yet they’re worlds apart
 

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lol come on man like what are you trying to communicate by telling me that JP promotes Dostoevsky? Like maybe JP promotes him because Dostoevsky is actually bad like JP? Do you actually base what you like and don’t like off JPs opinions? I hope not. Do you remember when Batty was trying to say that Dostoevsky would actually agree with him that the Christian God is evil and we should convert to some gnostic Marvel movie religion with archons and thetan levels and whatever? Dostoevsky is a big enough figure that lots of people will try and claim him, just like Nietzsche and Hitler and whoever.

Basically read his books if you find them interesting and just decide for yourself. I genuinely don’t know why you thought JPs opinion is relevant. Like if I think someone is a genuine tool box I don’t care about their opinions on anything if they don’t effect me and JPs opinions don’t have much impact on my life at all.
 

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Last night I had a most horrible nightmare. I dreamt that I had a miscarriage and I was inconsolable. I also remember a huge red spot on my pants. That's it, that's all I remember.
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lol come on man like what are you trying to communicate by telling me that JP promotes Dostoevsky? Like maybe JP promotes him because Dostoevsky is actually bad like JP? Do you actually base what you like and don’t like off JPs opinions? I hope not. Do you remember when Batty was trying to say that Dostoevsky would actually agree with him that the Christian God is evil and we should convert to some gnostic Marvel movie religion with archons and thetan levels and whatever? Dostoevsky is a big enough figure that lots of people will try and claim him, just like Nietzsche and Hitler and whoever.

Basically read his books if you find them interesting and just decide for yourself. I genuinely don’t know why you thought JPs opinion is relevant. Like if I think someone is a genuine tool box I don’t care about their opinions on anything if they don’t effect me and JPs opinions don’t have much impact on my life at all.
In just saying. Considering the guy went into a mental breakdown and had to be institutionalized for an entire year. All that Dostoevsky didn't do much good for him. Is Peterson even a Christian? Maybe he should've read CS Lewis instead. Do people genuinely come away from Dostoevsky "wanting" to be Christian? I genuinely don't know. Maybe he is promoting him because he knows he's a fuck up just like Dostoevky.

Also I just read the Grand Inquisitor chapter and forgive me if my comment is a little irrational and i am a little sensitive but that whole chapters setting is Anti Catholic. I get that was not the point of the chapter but the inquisition was based and Queen Isabella should have been made a Saint in the Catholic Church by now as she set Spain up for a golden age and she kicked the Jews out of her country. All this "auto da fe" talk just makes me cringe. And yes again I get that is not the point of the chapter but I do not get this feeling of antipathy when I read CS Lewis or other non catholic Christian theologians.

But other than his hatred for Catholics...it is a very good novel so far. I have to reflect on him a bit more and finish his books.
 

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I have received many revealing dreams. and itΒ΄s a strange synchronicity that I thought just yesterday about revealing some of it on this forum, but I thought it would be too strange for most people. now Andrew himself shared his fresh impressions with us. btw, thatΒ΄s a good advice for everyone who has this particular spiritual gift: write it down immediately after waking up. the lazy nigger in you tells you that you will never forget. but the truth is: you just keep the essence of the dream in your mind over the years, you tend to forget about the details and sometimes itΒ΄s worth looking at the details and dig deeper. so take notes. I regret not taking notes on several dreams and have to constantly remind myself of what I have seen so I do not forget. Yes, you can make notes about it weeks, months or even years later, but they will not be accurate.

Maybe we need an own thread for stuff like this.
I guess itΒ΄s funny that AA on an alternative timeline is a) still a gamer and b) still the enemy of Greta Thunberg.



 
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In just saying. Considering the guy went into a mental breakdown and had to be institutionalized for an entire year. All that Dostoevsky didn't do much good for him.
That's totally illogical. Jordan Peterson also probably brushes his teeth as well. You could just as easily say "all that teeth cleaning didn't do him much good. Why should I brush mine?" That's a logical fallacy, and I'm sure there's a name for it already.

Anyway, the dream was seriously a great read. It may sound corny, but I actually like hearing other people's dreams. I've always found them fascinating.
 

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Is Peterson even a Christian
I don’t follow Peterson at all but my general impression is that he stakes out fake edgy positions like owning feminist, Reddit atheist, and other low hanging fruit. I heard somewhere that he said he likes Origin so I assume no he isn’t Christian and just he likes to name drop people. Like I doubt he actually knows anything about Origin or Dostoevsky in anything but really superficial ways.

Maybe he should've read CS Lewis instead
sure I won’t ever discourage anyone from reading Lewis


Also I just read the Grand Inquisitor chapter and forgive me if my comment is a little irrational and i am a little sensitive but that whole chapters setting is Anti Catholic. I get that was not the point of the chapter but the inquisition was based and Queen Isabella should have been made a Saint in the Catholic Church by now as she set Spain up for a golden age and she kicked the Jews out of her country. All this "auto da fe" talk just makes me cringe. And yes again I get that is not the point of the chapter but I do not get this feeling of antipathy when I read CS Lewis or other non catholic Christian theologians.
I agree that the Inquisition was generally good people and Isabella was a very rare outlier female monarch who actually did good things. The thing with the Grand Inquisitor is that in retrospect it looks very prophetic. As far as I know Dostoevsky didn’t have any hatred for RCs in general and he lived in Italy for awhile but apparently he thought the RC Church as an institution was headed into very dark places and you gotta admit that has happened. Sure there is absolutely no doubt whatsoever that the current Pope would happily denounce the inquisition and Isabella. But more to the point I think you can make a case that current people in the top hierarchy of the RC Church have indeed done what Ivan wrote about in the Grand Inquisitor. They have basically bowed down to Satan in exchange for the world, they are on board with every globalist scheme, give the people their comforts and cheap miracles and have them slavishly follow you instead of following the narrow road with Christ. Satan of course doesn’t keep his promises and the RC Church is just a small component and not driving the train like in the Grand Inquisitor but that basic model of Satanic temptation, give the masses mystery and bread and worship me and I’ll give you the world is imo a dead on illustration of how the world works on a spiritual level. We see this playing out right in front of us today, only the world Satan is delivering to those who choose him is burning down, the masses are going to go hungry, and the β€œmystery” is just pseudo religious gobblygook that pleases nobody for long and they are seriously considering doing a Martian hoax apparently because worshiping women, niggers and colder weather isn’t cutting it. I can see how the setting of the story would be offensive to RCs but like I said, the best illustration of the spiritual component of societal control I’ve come across is definitely the Grand Inquisitor
 

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Is Peterson even a Christian
I don’t follow Peterson at all but my general impression is that he stakes out fake edgy positions like owning feminist, Reddit atheist, and other low hanging fruit. I heard somewhere that he said he likes Origin so I assume no he isn’t Christian and just he likes to name drop people. Like I doubt he actually knows anything about Origin or Dostoevsky in anything but really superficial ways.

Maybe he should've read CS Lewis instead
sure I won’t ever discourage anyone from reading Lewis


Also I just read the Grand Inquisitor chapter and forgive me if my comment is a little irrational and i am a little sensitive but that whole chapters setting is Anti Catholic. I get that was not the point of the chapter but the inquisition was based and Queen Isabella should have been made a Saint in the Catholic Church by now as she set Spain up for a golden age and she kicked the Jews out of her country. All this "auto da fe" talk just makes me cringe. And yes again I get that is not the point of the chapter but I do not get this feeling of antipathy when I read CS Lewis or other non catholic Christian theologians.
I agree that the Inquisition was generally good people and Isabella was a very rare outlier female monarch who actually did good things. The thing with the Grand Inquisitor is that in retrospect it looks very prophetic. As far as I know Dostoevsky didn’t have any hatred for RCs in general and he lived in Italy for awhile but apparently he thought the RC Church as an institution was headed into very dark places and you gotta admit that has happened. Sure there is absolutely no doubt whatsoever that the current Pope would happily denounce the inquisition and Isabella. But more to the point I think you can make a case that current people in the top hierarchy of the RC Church have indeed done what Ivan wrote about in the Grand Inquisitor. They have basically bowed down to Satan in exchange for the world, they are on board with every globalist scheme, give the people their comforts and cheap miracles and have them slavishly follow you instead of following the narrow road with Christ. Satan of course doesn’t keep his promises and the RC Church is just a small component and not driving the train like in the Grand Inquisitor but that basic model of Satanic temptation, give the masses mystery and bread and worship me and I’ll give you the world is imo a dead on illustration of how the world works on a spiritual level. We see this playing out right in front of us today, only the world Satan is delivering to those who choose him is burning down, the masses are going to go hungry, and the β€œmystery” is just pseudo religious gobblygook that pleases nobody for long and they are seriously considering doing a Martian hoax apparently because worshiping women, niggers and colder weather isn’t cutting it. I can see how the setting of the story would be offensive to RCs but like I said, the best illustration of the spiritual component of societal control I’ve come across is definitely the Grand Inquisitor
 

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So, um.

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Insane how you can remember so much detail from a dream. This story sounds like a mix of the WEF 10 minute city, Institute from fallout 4, Ender's game, and Gattaca.(I'm sure there's many more films/games im just not remembering too). Trippy stuff for sure, perhaps a product of you mixing pre workout with vodka? Either way I hope this isn't a vision sent from God because I would rather die than live in this horrible nightmare future.
 

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Great stuff, Master Chief.

I regularly have vivid dreams, packed with details like yours. There are some from decades ago, dreams that were interrupted where I still wonder what was going to happen, and wish the dream could be finished.

You may also wonder about the conclusion of this dream many years from now. Synthesizing it into into a complete story seems like the thing to do, but finishing the game itself in a written story, with its heavy questions, could be tough to do in a conscious, lucid state using intellect and imagination alone.
 
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I wish I could just write like this every day.

Instead I now have to do a full day of news spam, which will be low quality.
Yes, I and many others get our news exclusively from this site because of the gift you are aware of having which is generally your ability to communicate with the written word so well.

So I see the catch22 you are under. If you could have a break you could probably produce an unheard of number of books a year. Which the majority would most likely be worthwhile reads. But the hook you have on people with this site would suffer. I say make the jump

I took a nap after reading this article and was in the world you described even though there was minimal contextualization. Definately felt there.

Anyway this post is more a vision than a writing experience. Thanks for sharing. Especially a dream which your detractors would see as ripe fruit.
 

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This was amazing! Frankly i could forego reading the news every now and then if we could get an Andrew Anglin novel instead.
He could have somebody else spam the news articles for awhile, I am sure he could use a vacation anyway. Any volunteers?
 

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When you have a recurring series of dreams that progress from the point you leave them each night and never repeat and inexorably lead to you freeing some part of your mind or opening a doorway, you might get your own lucid dream superpowers, btw.
Dreaming can be a very powerful creative tool. I recently had a very vivid post apocalyptic dream where I saw some one and something in post apocalyptic setting so detailed it would be hard to even imagine while awake. I know one of my favorite games influenced some of what I saw in the dream but not the post apocalyptic setting. It had both creative and prophetic aspects to it. I don't always remember my dreams but I sure remember what I saw and felt in this and I won't forget it. Some of what I saw could be used as game design material but the post apocalyptic stuff was to dark to use in a video game but maybe could be used in a horror movie.
 

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I do not know if I have that ability. It's much harder than people think it is. Well, not to write pulp trash like Blood Meridian. I could do that. But to have a tight story with clear themes and an clean act structure is much more difficult than "character driven" prose without clear content.

But this is 25ish almost finished pages of fiction. But I only bothered to write it because I woke up with a vision that seemed to transcend my conscious mind. There are very good themes here:

-Dystopian communist post-scarcity utopia as reverse Garden of Eden
-Video games and other reality-creation technology as symbolic of the knowledge of good and evil, or possibly the end game of the knowledge of good and evil
-The relationship between the knowledge of good and evil and the philosophical mission of self-knowing
-What exactly is "knowledge of good and evil" and how does it relate to childhood trauma and sexuality?
-Tribal relations between groups, and the basis of tribal splitting and tribal conflicts
-The "Tower of Babel" phenomenon, viz, the effects of removing tribal barriers
-The human decision-making process and the way that individual decisions still matter even when they are buried by group behavior patterns/society (particularly in a modern society, where every individual feels they are being crushed by powers beyond their control, which seems to be at the root of much bad decision-making - see opioid deaths in connection to the coronavirus hoax)
-The results of the suppression of masculinity in a society run by women (in particular, the grotesque violence which is mounting in the OP)
-The effect of urbanization, technology, and a lack of meaningful work on mental health

The last one there has been done to death of course, but remains interesting, particularly in connection to the others. I think an outline exists for a novel, but this is not really 25ish finished pages of a novel, because there is no full outline. I just read it for the first time and do not believe it works as a short story at all, at least not in its current form. The themes listed above are mostly only hinted at, and there are obviously unfired guns laying all over the room. I'm thinking of various ways it could be reworked and completed, but the problem is that when you do that, you keep finding more and more problems, and solving problems creates more problems. I've wanted to write fiction my whole life, and I have written fiction my whole life and none of it has ever been published other than parodies on this website.


The note at the end is true, and I am just now analyzing it myself. I was analyzing it while writing it. There was definitely an effect where I was filling in dream logic with waking logic, but the basic events and there order were all written from notes I made immediately upon waking. Some events I skipped because they didn't make sense, though some of the parts that didn't make sense were included, as ye bear witness.

If it was rewritten as a real story with a concrete structure and a more conscious attempt to fill-out the themes, the various threads would all be linked together. I don't think I really know the answers to all of the questions being asked, but this is fine as long as they are asked with clarity instead of retreating to vagueness in order to pump mysteriosity.

As I mentioned above, the concept of decision-making would clearly be a theme in any finished work, and the function of the mystery game itself is supposed to be the process of decision-making. The game's initial process of establishing the person is all that appears here, and maybe there will be a comment on how we decide how we frame our memories and our childhood trauma. But the larger purpose of the game is to examine the person through RPG decision-making trees. The part above about the math of the game is stupid, and bad. Probably the worst part. The idea, I think, was that there are more possible decisions than there are possible outcomes, which means that outcomes can have a different meaning depending on how they were realized - this is represented by the two identical crematoria, with one being comedy and the other being tragedy. No matter which decisions you make, you end up dead and rotting.

There would also be some commentary on the illusion of escaping death, and how it ruins life to not be aware of death. People seem to sometimes underestimate the profound effect that transhumanist ideology is having on the decision making process of the elite. Any commentary on the transhumanist movement directly I would probably consider to be below the threshold of "thematic content," probably because I'm actually pretentious, but the way views of death impact decision-making fits.

The setting is something that was so clear in the dream, and is influenced enough by science fiction motifs, experience in China, and things like the above-mentioned Saudi Future City, that it's pretty well locked. If the characters are myself, a younger version of myself, Greta Thunberg, a more evil Greta Thunberg, a faceless bureaucracy run by ninnying school marms, a angry toddler-like giant robot intent on systematically wiping out human accomplishment, and a satanic Swedish video game, I feel comfortable (although I think the OP dialogue is done poorly, and right now I just feel like it should be re-written in full Cormac McCarthy syntax). The most daunting thing is plot structure.

Having read the story and wrote this comment now, I now conclude that turning this into a novel would solve my midlife crisis. However, I do not know that it is possible.

I don't think there have been any good novels, with very few exceptions, and there have certainly not been any good novels recently. But, I suppose I should believe in myself? I've done some things so far that surprised myself and others. The action of reading all of these novels I've read in the last 18 months could have been leading to this.
First of all you should really stop the overanalysing.
You have much too much literature sciency stuff hoarded in your brain.
Maybe itΒ΄s great to know all of that, but when it is actually preventing you from just publishing something so inspired like this piece ... then I donΒ΄t know.
 

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The action of reading all of these novels I've read in the last 18 months could have been leading to this.
I thought it displayed the initial stirrings of a modern 'Heart of Darkness'

You might not like Joseph Conrad but as far as I'm concerned that's high praise
 

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First of all you should really stop the overanalysing.
You have much too much literature sciency stuff hoarded in your brain.
Maybe itΒ΄s great to know all of that, but when it is actually preventing you from just publishing something so inspired like this piece ... then I donΒ΄t know.
Well, that's how you get Blood Meridian.

A piece of literature is more complicated than a skyscraper - and more meaningful, lasting much longer (potentially former) and impacting more people, and we can look at the amount of science that goes into building a skyscraper. You have to have all of this stuff going on in the background if you're going to actually write something good.

But yeah, since I was a teenager, I've been preventing myself from trying to publish fiction with perfectionism. The good response to this means a lot, because this is not something I spent any time at all on. There are things that I've worked and reworked for long periods and never published. The reason I published this, probably, aside from wanting to record the dream and then needing the content, is that it was so low-effort, just written in the early morning on a rainy Sunday, so there was nothing to lose.

I just googled it and Cormac McCarthy is still alive. He's 89. I need to finish a book quickly - where I steal his syntax and stylistisms (which he stole from Faulkner anyway) but actually have meaningful themes - so I can send him a copy with a post-it note that says "ummm care to comment?"
 

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I thought it displayed the initial stirrings of a modern 'Heart of Darkness'

You might not like Joseph Conrad but as far as I'm concerned that's high praise
That's the only book of his I've read and was not against it. I think I read some other short stories at some point. I am not against him. I would actually reread Heart of Darkness and have thought about doing so.
 

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I've got a few manuscripts, but the problem is getting them published. Any book which evinces an illiberal worldview will not be touched by a mainstream publisher, and views which are pro-Christianity and anti-homosexuality are unattractive to the current "far right" publishing houses. That leaves self-publishing on Amazon and/or Lulu, but the problem with that is that there is always the risk of the ADL putting in a call to head office the moment the book gains any traction - the author ending up like E. Michael Jones on Amazon or those JRbooksonline books on Lulu - nuked from orbit.

So here I am with my magnum opus, in which our protagonist, a washed-up middle-aged Scotman who has undergone an unsuccessful sex change, dreams that it is the 4th December 1655, and his ancestor is at the Whitehall conference, where Lord Protector Oliver Cromwell is arguing to have the Jews readmitted to England. This ancestor changes the timeline of the West by shooting Cromwell dead as he gets up to speak, as the religious populist naysayers of Cromwell's plan get their way, and an Inquisition is set up to weed out religious unorthodoxy, resulting in a country which has zero tolerance for secret societies or moral subversion. In this timeline, Britain does not have a global empire, but nor does it become the later multi-cultural hellscape of riots and Muslim rape gangs, and our dreamer remains a male throughout his life, his genitalia intact. He does not want to wake up into the reality in which his penis is gone, and his life ruined by bad Jewish ideas. Anyways, my manuscript, Dreams of My Penis, remains to find a publisher. In a better timeline, it would be published by Penguin Random House, and it would be narrated on Audible by Colin Firth. But that will never happen. So my book remains condemned to mould away in a drawer, forever untypeset and unbound.
 
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All that Dostoevsky didn't do much good for him.
Pretty sure JP had all the problems he needed before he got to Dostoevsky

but apparently he thought the RC Church as an institution was headed into very dark places
The wikipedia take is, Dostoevsky was making more of a generalized criticism of where he saw the entire world heading, and he used the RC Church and the Inquisition as literary devices. It seems reasonable. The real problem with the RC Church today (well, more accurately, the Vatican, which is not the Church, but simply the head of the Church) are the twin heresies of Modernism and Americanism, which are relativist, materialistic, and ultimately, nihilistic heresies. So from that standpoint, Dostoevsky was prescient, although you could also say the exact same thing about the entire universe of Protestant denominations, which have completely collapsed under the crushing weight of Modernist heresy. Which is not surprising when you consider the idea that Martin Luther was the original Modernist.

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I pray for God to guide Andrew Anglin’s hand into creating the literary masterpiece of our time. Incredible that this is what you can make in one sitting in the middle of the night. Bravo!
 
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